Talk:Fan Pengfei

Analysis of the sources on 25 April 2022

Thank you for the ping here, Justiyaya (talk · contribs), as I am happy to help review the sources. Also pinging Zuoyeshu (talk · contribs) who is the draft creator.

Analysis of the sources as of this revision on 09:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC):

1. "范朋飞荣获最佳作词人奖 向致力于音乐的歌手致敬" [Fan Pengfei won the Best Lyricist Award. Tribute to a singer dedicated to music.] (in Chinese). 江苏新闻网. 2022-02-28. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25.

   The website notes: "欢迎投稿本网站". From Google Translate: "Contributions to this website are welcome", so this could be user-generated content. The article says "Source: Internet" and "Author: admin1". The article notes from Google Translate: "The All Media Star Entertainment reporter reported on February 28 that the 2021 Chinese Music Awards Ceremony was successfully held in Zhengzhou, and singer Fan Pengfei won the Best Lyricist Award." The article later notes, "Fan Pengfei said in an interview with reporters". This source is of dubious reliability. It is written from the perspective of a journalist, but I cannot establish whether the source is reliable.

2. "歌手范朋飞新单曲上线 记录校园爱情慢时代" [Singer Fan Pengfei's new single is online. It records the slow era of campus love.]. 西南商报 (in Chinese). 2021-11-22. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25 – via Sina Corporation.

   The Sina article links to the original article in the text link 西部经济网^{Internet Archive}. According to a Google Translate of its about page^{Internet Archive}, ""Southwest Business Daily" was founded in 1953 and published in 1993. It is an economic and commercial newspaper jointly issued by the six southwestern provinces and cities including Yun, Gui, Sichuan, Chongqing, Tibet and Guangxi." I consider this article to be a sufficiently reliable source under WP:XINHUA. The source provides significant coverage about the subject. It can be used to establish notability.

3. "最强盘点:这些明星居然是河南人" [The strongest inventory: these stars are actually from Henan]. Dahe Daily (in Chinese). 2015-11-22. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25 – via Sina Corporation.

   Dahe Daily is a sufficiently reliable source under WP:XINHUA. But the subject is mentioned in passing in a list. This source cannot be used to establish notability.

4. "范朋飞荣获最佳作词人奖 开启音乐创作新篇章" [Fan Pengfei won the Best Lyricist Award, opening a new chapter in music creation]. 信阳日报 (in Chinese). 2022-01-13. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25.

   According to a Google Search "信阳日报创刊于1988年10月10日，每期发行量有9万份。 信阳日报是中共信阳市委机关报，面向全国，公开发行，对开4版，每周7期，此外每周分别出版科教周刊、法治周刊。"

   From Google Translate: "Xinyang Daily was founded on October 10, 1988, with a circulation of 90,000 copies per issue. Xinyang Daily is the official newspaper of the Xinyang Municipal Party Committee of the Communist Party of China. It is publicly distributed for the whole country. It has 4 folios and 7 issues per week. In addition, it publishes Science and Education Weekly and Rule of Law Weekly each week."

   I consider this article to be a sufficiently reliable source under WP:XINHUA. The source provides significant coverage about the subject. It can be used to establish notability.

5. "范朋飞荣获最佳作词人奖 携新单曲谈心路历程" [Fan Pengfei won the Best Lyricist Award and talks about his journey with his new single] (in Chinese). 2022-01-10. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25 – via Phoenix Television.

   The article notes: "The content above (including the videos, pictures and audios if any) is uploaded and posted by the user of Dafeng Hao, which is a social media platform and merely provides information storage space services.”

   This source is user-generated content so is unreliable and cannot be cited. The source of the article appears to be https://www.dianfeng2017.net/yinle/268360.html^{Internet Archive}, and it is unclear whether it is a reliable source.

6. "歌手范朋飞新单曲上线 记录校园爱情慢时代" [Singer Fan Pengfei's new single is online. It records the slow era of campus love.] (in Chinese). 2021-11-22. Archived from the original on 2022-04-25. Retrieved 2022-04-25 – via Phoenix Television.

   The article notes: "The content above (including the videos, pictures and audios if any) is uploaded and posted by the user of Dafeng Hao, which is a social media platform and merely provides information storage space services.”

   This source is user-generated content so is unreliable and should not be cited. This article is the same article as the second source on this list. It should be replaced with that source.

Although I have some concerns about some dubiously reliable sources, my conclusion is that Fan Pengfei (simplified Chinese: 范朋飞; traditional Chinese: 範朋飛) meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. The subject received significant coverage in the second source and fourth source, which are both sufficiently reliable under WP:XINHUA, so the article would be retained if brought to an Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.

Cunard (talk) 09:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

hi thanks for your reply for this article problems. i have one more question, as for ifeng resours, "The article notes: "The content above (including the videos, pictures and audios if any) is uploaded and posted by the user of Dafeng Hao" , though it is writted by dafenghao, but the dafenghao is official ifeng media named ifeng music. it is official of ifeng news, so can it be a reliable source ? thanks so much Zuoyeshu (talk) 09:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Zuoyeshu (talk · contribs), at least one of the two ifeng articles listed under "Dafeng Hao" seems to be copying from other sources:

1. http://yue.ifeng.com/c/8Ch5XIXx6wl was published on 10 January 2022, and it seems to be copying from https://www.dianfeng2017.net/yinle/268360.html, which was published on 17 December 2021.
2. https://i.ifeng.com/c/8BNhZoAMgIL was published on 22 November 2021. It is the same article as http://www.swbd.cn/cont_qy.ASP?WZBH=83190, which was published on the same day.

I would not treat these ifeng articles as reliable, though in most cases (when not listed as user-generated content), I would consider ifeng articles as reliable.

Cunard (talk) 10:06, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.dianfeng2017.net/yinle/268360.html hi, this web could not be opened, thanks, now i will delete some unreliable sources, and revise this article, thanks for your help. Zuoyeshu (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help Cunard, you are absolutely amazing for your detailed analysis in every single notability case that I've seen you comment on :D Justiyaya 12:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

hi you are both great and friendly, i have revised this article again after getting help from you, and please review it again, and have a nice day, thanks Zuoyeshu (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, Justiyaya (talk · contribs), and for your excellent work copyediting and improving this article! Congratulations, Zuoyeshu (talk · contribs), on getting this article moved to mainspace! Cunard (talk) 05:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cunard: Are we really sure about this subject's notability? An AfD procedure on it.wiki exposed how his Spotify page has zero monthly listeners and how all his music is self-released. On YouTube a search of his name (both in English and Chinese) only generates some songs' audios, none of which has views in the double digits(!). I know en.wiki has GNG, but I don't think some fleeting mentions on two websites that might be reliable are nearly enough. I must also add that the article was created in several languages by the same user, including it.wiki, making me think this is a case of cross-wiki spam. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 00:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Merynancy I'm quite sure that it'd survive AFD based purely on GNG, I do not think that these platforms are representative of how much the subject's music is being listened to (which should not be factored in AFD), as both of the websites that you mentioned are blocked where the subject is from. I did think it might've been a COI editor who wrote it, and I probably should've prompted the editor to disclose or notified them of the policy before accepting. I did see a lot of spam when first reviewing, but I think I managed to cut it down to an extent where it is able to be accepted. Also cool signature :D Justiyaya 04:52, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Justiyaya's analysis. The subject meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline through having received significant coverage in the second source and fourth source I listed above. The subject's having zero monthly listeners and self-releasing his music has no bearing on his notability. Cunard (talk) 07:47, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, but my concern is that, once you've removed all the spam, virtually no content is left in the article. Right now it's just shortly describing when he released his records, without hinting at why those releases might make him relevant (commercial success? critical acclaim? reviews from notable publications?). Those articles might as well be published for pay. Perhaps a Chinese user could tell us more. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 18:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@Merynancy Personally I think its a good stub at this point, although lacking much critical information that you described, can be expanded by other editors and improved later on if more sources emerge over time. Justiyaya 19:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

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Return to draft because one link has been invaild

This article has been returned to draft due to invaild link(which is link No.4), so i changed the old link to be a new one already with the same report theme article, please help to review it again, thanks so much Justiyaya (talk · contribs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuoyeshu (talk • contribs) 06:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Padgriffin (talk · contribs), WP:DRAFTOBJECT says:

Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to draftifying the page. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace, and if it is not notable, list it at AfD.

A page may only be moved unilaterally to the draftspace a single time. If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc.

This page was moved to mainspace at 07:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC), moved to draftspace at 13:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC), moved back to mainspace at 10:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC) by me, and moved back to draftspace at 02:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC) by you. Please explain why the article is "[n]ot ready for mainspace". Please restore the draft back to mainspace per WP:DRAFTOBJECT since the move to draft has been objected to. The subject meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline as discussed at Talk:Fan Pengfei#Analysis of the sources on 25 April 2022. Cunard (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Zuoyeshu Please disclose a conflict of interest if you have one with the subject, see WP:DCOI. The first draftify was based on paid editing/conflict concerns. As mentioned above, I should've asked you to disclose a COI before first accepting the draft. Justiyaya 11:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)