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This article was started by editor IKravitz680 back on 21 September 2013‎.

It was declined for promotion to mainspace when submitted, with comment " You have references from independent sources but none of them deal with the actual article, they are all in the press section. To be notable, you would need independent sources for all sections. Also as a side note, you can not link directly to the company's website in the article." by Chris1834, on 10 January 2014.

It's being developed now...what needs to be done? --doncram 18:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

To do list:

  • fix footnote references which are incomplete or display improperly. -- status: mostly done
  • use the sources listed in the Press section to support material existing, and/or to add material, in the rest of the article, and then remove the Press section, which is non-standard. --?
  • develop/edit the list of works of the firm. Don't want to just say "CNN, for example, want to explain what architectural work was done by the firm for that client. Directing the reader to jump to the separate article about the CNN company, where there's going to be no coverage of a renovation to one CNN building, is not helpful. Need to explain each item of work, with links to sources (which can include links to the firm's webpages). --partly done?
  • indicate at each project that won an award, the fact of that award, with footnote same as used for the award in the Awards section --(added 19 March 2015, doncram) --just one award done
  • maybe in a "Principals" section, add more bio info about Michael Kostow and about Jane Greenwood. Plan to set up redirects from Michael Kostow and from Jane Greenwood (architect) when firm article is in mainspace? (if there aren't separate articles about them)
  • develop more about Jane Greenwood, including that interesting story where she said she wanted to rise to the top of a firm, at her job interview, and then eventually did. Is this that firm, renamed? Or what happened to that firm?
  • what else?

discussion

  • The footnotes have been fixed...mostly. They include a couple of dead links. I'm trying to find them from other sources (i.e. I found Mosher's "A Done Deal" in the Chicago Public Library database and redirected the link, but the edited version still claims it is a "dead link." I assume that a public library site is no good for a wiki article because it is not accessible to everyone. Do we have a workaround here? Doncram, your help is absolutely invaluable, thanks again. --Avabkeating (talk)
  • You've done great work developing out the projects list, and fixing so many footnotes. Great!
  • I removed that "dead link" tag, which turned out to be due to {{404}} having been placed there. Template {{404}} is an alternate name for template {{Dead link}}. It displays as "dead link" and also puts the page into a category that could attract editors who fix such things. Maybe "404" because of the "404 error" that appears sometimes in internet browsing, i guess when a link is dead. The "404" tag might be added by a bot that checks links, or it might have been added manually by an editor. It's conceivable that another bot could arrive eventually, check again, and see the link works, then remove the tag...but i don't know. The tag can certainly can be removed manually, like i just did.
  • It seems useful, to me anyhow, for any award for the firm's work on a project, to be mentioned at the project's appearance in the project list. I just implemented that for the Centennial...project..the Salvation Army auditorium. If all the awards are project-specific, maybe the "Awards" section will be redundant, and could possibly be dropped? But it could usefully show the awards in chronological order, so I guess it should be kept.
  • Also I see there is no longer a "Press" section, which is good. But is the "Publications" section that, just renamed?
  • Need to consider whether this is close to ready for being restored to mainspace, i.e. to hit the "Submit" button, but i haven't really reviewed it yet.
cheers, --doncram 00:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)Reply
P.s. I also added a couple more items to the To Do list above, please see.

publications / sources available

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  • Hi again again Avabkeating...the article is looking very good. I removed the following list of sources from the article, as there's no place for a list of "publications" in a Wikipedia article. Many of these are used already elsewhere in the article, and are hence listed in the references. Others have good info, no doubt, but you must use info in the text of the article sourced to them, in order to include them.

Also, to be clear, a source needs to be created and "named" just once, e.g. <ref name=guitar>{{...specifics..}} and then elsewhere cited by <ref name=guitar/> (note the / ) in the subsequent calls to it).

List removed...let's strike ones already used in the article...and strike out more as some of these are copied back into the article if not used already... :

  • Architecture Leaders Today, "From Guitar Solos to Inspiring Design": Interview with principals Michael Kostow and Jane Greenwood[1]
  • Contract, "Sleight of Hand": Smart Design[2]
  • Contract, "Not a Problem": Smart Design[3]
  • Contract, "Process of Elimination": Smart Design[4]
  • Contract, "Wish List": Smart Design[5]
  • Contract, "A Done Deal": Smart Design[6]
  • Interior Design, "Better Than Brown Bagging It": News feature about Mad River Post[7]
  • Interior Design, "Crosslines: On the Money": Spotlight on the CNN Broadcast Center[8]
  • Interior Design, "Imagine and Reimagine"[9]
  • Interior Design, "It Takes a Village": Mad River Post[10]
  • Interior Design, "Lovely as A Tree": News feature about Fir Tree Partners[11]
  • Interior Design, "Top of the Class": Smart Design[12]
  • Interior Design, "Top-Notch Design Firms Rise to the Challenge of Time Warner's New York Headquarters": CNN's New York, NY Broadcast Center[13]
  • Lehigh University, "Studying the Rebirth of Bethlehem Steel": Bethlehem-Sands[14]
  • New York Times, "For CNN, a View of the Park And an Eye to the World": CNN's New York, NY Broadcast Center[15]
  • New York Times, "On Broadway, Revivals Aren’t Only for Shows": Longacre Theatre Restoration[16]
  • NYREJ, "Kostow Greenwood wins a Lucy G. Moses Preservation Award": Centennial Memorial Temple[17]
  • Observer, "92nd Y is Tribeca Bound": 92Y Tribeca[18]
  • Real Estate Weekly, "Team Raises the Roof at New Broadway Actors Studio": Actors’ Equity Association[19]
  • Stage Directions, "Restored to Glory": Longacre Theatre Restoration[20]
  • TV Technology, "NBC Moves Ahead With Kostow Greenwood": CNN's Broadcast Center[21]
  • TV Technology, "MTV Networks Central Editing and Network Operations": MTV[22]
  • Variety, "A Look Inside CNNMoney's Online Biz News War Room": CNN[23]

References

  1. ^ Cornell, Joel. "From Guitar Solos to Inspiring Design". Architecture Leaders Today. Retrieved October 14, 2014.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference sleight was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference not was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference process was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ Mosher, Diana. "Wish List". Contract. Retrieved October 1, 2014.
  6. ^ Mosher, Diana. "A Done Deal". Contract. Retrieved March 15, 2015.
  7. ^ Cite error: The named reference brown was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  8. ^ Cite error: The named reference kellogg was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. ^ McMenamin, Mark. "Imagine and Reimagine". Interior Design. Retrieved March 1, 2014.
  10. ^ Cite error: The named reference village was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  11. ^ Cite error: The named reference lovely was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference dheere was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. ^ Renzi, Jen. "Top-Notch Design Firms Rise to the Challenge of Time Warner's New York Headquarters". Retrieved May 1, 2014.
  14. ^ Cite error: The named reference bethsteel was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  15. ^ Holusha, John (February 11, 2004). "For CNN, a View of the Park And an Eye to the World". New York Times. Retrieved 8 March 2014.
  16. ^ Cite error: The named reference collins was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  17. ^ Cite error: The named reference nyrej was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  18. ^ Cite error: The named reference tribeca was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  19. ^ Cite error: The named reference rew was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  20. ^ "Restored to Glory". Stage Directions. Retrieved September 1, 2014.
  21. ^ Cite error: The named reference NBC was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  22. ^ Cite error: The named reference mtvnet was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  23. ^ Cite error: The named reference spangler was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Hope this helps. --doncram 04:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

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