Talk:Roy C. Knapp

Sources

Greetings. I'm ready to submit the Roy Knapp entry, but would like to include a newspaper article about his visit with William F. Ludwig Jr. to see John Noonan in central Illinois in 1978 here: https://www.newspapers.com/image/69149504/?match=1&terms=Giants%20of%20drum%20world. Can I call on your expertise (once again!) to insert it into the entry? If you think it might be better placed in the John Noonan entry, let me know. Please advise. Best, /s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 17:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser I moved your comment from Draft talk:John Patrick Noonan to here. The draft is not ready as you need to cite sources in-line to support the content, like is done in the Noonan draft (little footnote numbers next to statements). You can use some of the sources I provided to do so. I just plopped them in the lead the get them in the draft but they shouldn't stay there. :) If you are using Visual Editor, you can actually drag and drop the footnotes from the lead to where ever they belong or copy/paste them or see WP:INTREFVE Reusing references (you can use the same source multiple times). I take it you were not able to figure out Newspaper.com clippings. Is that the same source you mentioned on your talk page, "Percussion's dean steps to a lively beat"? S0091 (talk) 18:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

FYI, I just now submitted the Roy Knapp entry. Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Several questions:

1. I have a photo of Roy Knapp surrounded by his WLS drums, etc., probably taken in the late 1930's, some 80+ years ago, but don't know if it's copyrighted or not. You can find it here: https://pjbdrummer.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-drum-kit-great-drummers.html. Can I safely add it to the Roy Knapp entry?

2. Can we add another photo, this one his 1950's ad for his School of Percussion, found here: https://winnetoba.com/media/roy-c-knapp-school-of-percussion-ad-large.png

3. Can we add Roy's middle initial, "C." to his entry heading? That's how he's known.

4. Can we change "musician" following his name to "percussionist"?

Please advise.

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser

6/18/24 Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser I moved the article to Roy C. Knapp. Since Wikipedia does not have an article about some other Roy Knapp there's no need to disambiguate with musician or percussionist. I am not sure about the images so pinging @Marchjuly who I believe is familiar with copyrights and Wikipedia's image guidelines. S0091 (talk) 16:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 2601:14D:4F81:60:9912:AF96:BAEE:F1BE (talk) 16:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser Since Marchjuly has not responded I suggest the asking at the Teahouse but first suggest reaching out to PAS because they used one of those photos [1] to ask where they got the photo. I know Wikipedia cannot use just any photo found on the internet and copyright generally belongs to the photographer but I think publicity shots might be exception because they fall under fair-use or if the photographer releases it under a suitable license it can be used.

Also, I have done some additional work and sourcing. I did remove Mel Torme and Ed Shaughnessy from the Notable students section because I could not find sources but I found Buddy Harman so added him. I also couldn't find a source for Mousey Alexander but left him in because he was from Chicago so seems plausible; however a source is needed. If you have sources please provide them along with anything I tagged with 'citation needed'. Otherwise the content will need to be removed. I would like to get this to Good article status which then would allow it to be able featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did you know section but to do that, everything must be sourced and there cannot be any copyright violations (images, copying text, etc.). S0091 (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your continuing time on this. I'm deeply appreciative.

I'll contact PAS about the photo. And I appreciate the Notable students tweaks. I'll pursue all your 'citation needed' captions. 2601:14D:4F81:60:69BA:98F3:14EF:9DD1 (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bsoyka since you added an image to John P. Noonan, are any of the above proposed by @Jeff Neuhauser a suitable image for Knapp? S0091 (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@S0091: I'm not sure. The Noonan image was okay because we know when it was taken (January 1937) and can therefore accurately determine its copyright status (see the Licensing section on the file page). It's the probably in probably taken in the late 1930's that leaves me uncertain. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look @Bsoyka. I am not knowledgeable at all about images and copyright so rely on those who are. S0091 (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@S0091: No worries—sorry I couldn't be of more help! If you're ever curious to learn more, the Hirtle chart on Commons is a good place to start. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

There's a photo of Roy Knapp on his Percussive Arts Society (PAS) Hall of Fame page:

https://pas.org/roy-c-knapp/

Can we use this?

Please advise.

Best,

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser: I'm not sure here either, again because we don't actually know when exactly the photo was taken, or any other details about it such as who took it or where/when it was first published. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I have another photo of Roy Knapp from the same time period as the Noonan photo (when the Ludwig family manufactured their Ludwig drums under the WFL name). It's inscribed by Roy to John Noonan. I've uploaded it to Wikipedia. As before, if you can find it, can you add it to the Knapp Wiki entry?

Thanks!

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Still awaiting word from you about the Roy Knapp photo I uploaded to Wikipedia.

Can you add it to Roy's Wiki page for me?

Please advise.

Best,

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser

Cell: 443.560.3361 Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 12:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)