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Map talk
As per the main article, there are reports of ground fighting and shelling in the Salaheddine district. This would indicate that at least the red arrow from Salaheddine to Saif-al-Dawla is no longer current, and IMO Salaheddine should be orange. Also, the regular army offensive on Arkoub is depicted as coming from Hamdaniya, which itself is marked as disputed (orange). This is not logical, the arrow should either be removed or reoriented to originate from Hanano army base (makes more sense anyway). Again, this is according to the article. You may dispute the validity of the facts presented there, but you cannot dispute that the map needs to correspond to the article. - WhoEver109 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.202.5.160 (talk) 05:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Bustan al-Quasayr & other minor changes
It seems fighting has reached a new static line since the failed rebel offensive, and the failed military counterattack. I suggest we make Bustan al-Quasayr green and remove the red arrow, since there are no reports of fighting, but the military is still shelling the district and neighouring Fardous, meaning there are rebel fighters there. Also, we should mark the Citadel area as disputed, since the Free Syrian Army controls some part of the Souk and attacked the Omayyad Mosque twice last week. I don't know anything about the fighting in Shaar, but it seems the FSA is still on control, as fighting has not spread further east towards Hanano and Sakhour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.24.43.183 (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
- Since Bustan al-Quasayr is still being shelled it means there are still rebels there so its still disputed. The area around the Citadel is, per the last reports, still under military control. Its the Souk, that is several hundred meters away, that is disputed. Mosque is under military control, a disputed area has already been colored right next to it. EkoGraf (talk) 13:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
New clashes
24 november 2012 http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=957678&tid=95994 Region Sheikh Said is cleared from rebels. Not sure about correct name - source is in russian language. Rebels attacked anti aircraft base near Allepo. Still fights arround Layramount crossroad and Bani Yazid. In Bustan al Kasr, Sukkari and Han Tuman - again fights. May be because we have to use small labels to have place for more details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.86.14 (talk) 08:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Salahedinne
Yep, its one of these threads. Anyway according to this source [1] it is a frontline at least partially controlled by rebels. Frontline is on Sharaa Street, but damn me if I have any idea where it may be. Point is - not regime controlled. At least not fully. EllsworthSK (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- That source only shows that there are some clashes in the district. The last report from an AFP reporter on the ground from early October had the whole district under government control. Future did his edit properly by only putting the eastern part of Salahadine contested, not the whole district. And I think that is a proper compromise solution. EkoGraf (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'll have to disagree here. Source clearly states that at least some part of Salahedinne (not saying how much, though) is under rebel control, not just source of clashes.
- for Salahadeen is part of the front line of a battle for Aleppo
- AFP report may be not actual anymore, this one is latest from there and contradicts the situation which was there one and half month ago. Again, it is part of the frontline and since source does not says that only eastern side we have to work with what we've got. EllsworthSK (talk) 12:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Here is a picture of what is allegedly a pro-rebel rally in Salaheddine. Do we know anything of the most recent reliable news from here? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Situation in western Aleppo.
Many clashes are reported on western aleppo. army base , air defense base these important places are targeted. Should we put them to unclear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amedjay (talk • contribs) 20:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
8/12 correction needed
The Syrian Army units were able to mop-up Bustan al-Basha area totally in Aleppo city.
A security source stated to Breaking News Network that the Syrian Army has annihilated the militants and snipers in the area.
The field source from the Raids branch added that the area of Bustan al-Basha is under the control of the Syrian Army.
- Bustan al-Basha still has occasional fighting, so it is not yet red, should remain olive. The Syrian Arab Army does advance there now, due to the Kurdish Neutrality bloc in Sheikh Maqsoud area of Aleppo city. One should not easily believe every report that the area is under full control. The major roads and parts are, but in some side streets still armed insurgents of FSA and the Al-Nusra Islamist Front of Salafists are fighting themselves until death.NiederlandeFW (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Past discussion moved from FutureTrillionaire's talk page
Out for a week, catching up on the situation. Posting Video footage that I believe is compelling enough to change the map:
1. Ummayad Mosque was assaulted and at least temporarily infiltrated. Footage taken from an overgrown rooftop 1-2 buildings to the east of the mosque. Shows unidentifiable gunman and a number of bodies in the courtyard. The area around the mosque should be shown as olive, contested. Additional footage showing the rear angle of the roof the FSA are on, dated prior to the first footage posted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klKGJabR5K0
GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 06:04, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
As I've been saying for a week or more.. Maysaloun is contested or primarily in FSA control. On the wikipedia map, it's the northern front of Hanano Baraks, called out as Hamidiya. This is at least in part from the overpass to the NW. At least half a dozen FSA videos have also been posted in the last week of fighting in this area. This bit of semi propeganda is from the SAA. If BOTH sides are posting videos of fighting there.. its as good as disputed IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6843e8j7fU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 07:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Unclear areas of fighting in wrong color
Why are the Shaar, Sakhour and Al-Ansari quarters of Aleppo not in olive yet. The Syrian Arab Army advanced into Shaar, holds vast streets of Sakhour and Al-Ansari now. They should be painted in olive brown by now. Here are some sources. The Shaar Quarter of Aleppo sees fierce fighting between the Government-held Syrian Police Station and Ansar al-Islam and FSA armed insurgents. Shaar must now be painted brown/olive in the map. Also, the Iranian reporters of FARS may be biased in reporting, but these locations are reliable of this article. Sakhour is now in vast parts controlled by the Syrian Army who are raiding rebel dens. The FARS agency states that 70 % of Bustan al-Basha is in the hands of the Syrian Army. This also explains why the Army can advance to attack rebels in Sakhour and took parts of Sakhour in these confrontations. Sakhour must become olive and brown, however Bustan al-Basha should remain olive/brown and not yet red. 70 % is not 99 or 100 % after all. It is annoying to see Mr Von Richthofen and others insist that the rebels took southwestern Aleppo, which is clearly in contradiction with the roadside situation and operations of the Syrian Army against rebel-held villages and farms to the southwest. The onslaught is from the northeast and north. The Syrian Army is trying to cut off the central rebel-held areas by a saillant towards Aleppo Airport. Shaar, Sakhour, Al-Ansari and maybe even more quarters should be designated as Unclear, thus olive/brown, due to ongoing fighting. The same is done even with minor clashes in government-held red quarters in the west, so..... Even reports by pro-rebel embedded journalists writing for CNN (firmly anti-Assad government) describe Army vs. rebel clashes in Sakhour area of Aleppo. Ongoing on 4 December already. Today, these fights are even advancing more, if one reads the FARS News of 9 December. The map should remain reliable and not only describe rebel advances or minor clashes so as to diminish government areas.NiederlandeFW (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Partly done -Not sure about Al-Ansari, but I'm convinced there's fighting in Shaar and Sakhour. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like Amedjay reverted your edits, and added another green arrow. Esn (talk) 22:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- And removed a red arrow while claiming to have added new districts (I don't see any new districts added, am I blind?)... I'm wondering, are these arrows even meaningful? I mean, looking at all these arrows, if I didn't know anything else I'd think there was mobile warfare going on in Aleppo, control switching left and right. But we know the reality is completely opposite, there hasn't been a meaningful advance anywhere in Aleppo for months really, while the battles seem to be going on with roughly similar intensity along the entire frontline. Not like we can really judge the variations in intensity anyway, so why try. If I was in charge of this, I'd either remove all the arrows completely, or make a policy of inserting arrows only when the situation actually changes. Like, every time a district changes color (and not because we realize we fucked up, like with south-west aleppo thing, but because the situation actually changed on the ground), I'd also put an arrow there to reflect the fact that the change was recent, then remove the arrow after like two weeks (or some other arbitrary amount of time) to reflect the lack of recent changes in the area. That way the arrows would actually be useful in telling us what is a recent development and what isn't. It would also help in distinguishing map changes that are due to actual developments on the ground from changes that are just due to us realizing we screwed up something. Like for instance, looking at the map today compared to a few days ago one could easily get the idea that the SAA just launched a big offensive in the south-west and successfully recaptured a lot of land, while no such thing actually occurred. With the arrow policy though, one would be able to tell that this isn't what happened. So anyway, if that was the policy, then there would currently be a red arrow into Helak because that change is still relatively recent, and maybe a green arrow into rasafeh since that's also pretty recent, and.... that's about it. Kami888 (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Done, I've removed the old arrows. I agree they're rather misleading. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Please note that Amedjay's changes are highly POV. He seems to be in denial about the Syrian Arab Army offensive having recaptured vast parts of Sakhour, Shaar. Like Bustan al-Basha, Sakhour and Shaar are now partially under SAA control. The same mode can be seen with some Free Syrian Army and Islamist Mujahedeen supporters on wikipedia on the Rif Dimashq operations. Although some media seem to want to indicate that the FSA and Mujahedeen are succesfully on toward their full total victory, this is ridiculous from a rational military point of view. Without a NATO intervention, in many areas the stalemate situation will continue, whereas in Aleppo the Syrian Army is advancing. This despite loss of certain military schools and largely abandoned airfields and Army strongholds which for months held out in the Syrian-Turkish rebel-held border area. The fact these bases of the SAA fell, cannot justify any denial or neglecting of the Battle of Aleppo advances. As I said before, we must investigate why taxis and the road to Aleppo International Airport from Midan, Old City, Salaheddine etc. is open to civil traffic once again since December 8. This can be explained with the Syrian Army piercing its way to enclose and cut-off the rebel central areas. Overall however, the Syrian Arab Army seemed to have taken a wait and see approach until November 2012, possibly to avoid huge losses in soldiers in street to street fighting. Aleppo-Shaar, Aleppo-Sakhour are again in Army hands partially, fighting there continues. Of course the Kurdish bloc plays a role in this advance.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Also, this file is sometimes buggy. The edits with new districts Amedjay added didn't appear in the file maybe because the file didn't update, or takes a very long time to update.-- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Dear FutureTrillionaire, I saw you did not include your previous changes to your great Battle of Aleppo map concerning the Syrian Arab Army advancement into Shaar, Sakhour (controlling vast parts of it and installing artillery units, which means a stable ground-based presence there), al-Ansari. Shaar and Sakhour from Bustan al-Basha indicate a Syrian Army advance towards Aleppo International Airport, which can still be reached by government taxis and vehicles as both CNN, foreign ARD reporters (German), FARS Iranian News Agency, SANA Syrian State Press Agency and other correspondents confirm. Amedjay and certain other users here are part of a paid blogger and internet corps as to portray an excessive success of the rebels in Aleppo (and Rif Dimashq) not in accord with any reality on the ground. Why would the Syrian Army in Aleppo be able to advance towards the airport, if the southwest army bases were under attack or the Justice Palace in the northwest. I think your great map needs to the changes you added on December 11, which were reverted by Amedjay who clearly has POV views of this conflict. Neutrality requires multiple sources and refraining from such reverts by Amedjay and others. The map in WikiCommons should now have brown/olive for Shaar and Sakhour and al-Ansari too. The SAA is attempting to enclose the southern Aleppo city centre rebels. However the claims that Bustan al-Basha is already entirely under full Army control are false (although 70 % was on Dec 10). I think I am neutral on these articles. We cannot have wikipedia become a State Department, political or Free Syrian Army or Jihadist success "frontpage". This is no newspaper.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Also, in Hanano/Aleppo the Syrian Arab Army is fighting rebels. Hanano and streets are in the hands of the Syrian Arab Army, at least they were on December 11, 2012. [42] This means that the map needs seriously more areas of olive/brown, including Hanano quarter in olive/brown. Arrows of red into Bustan al-Pasha, Sakhour into the Airport direction, red arrows from Hanano all fail. Hanano must be designated olive/brown too! Hanano is divided by the "front line" between FSA and Syrian Army.Reuters photo 7 out of 13. This means Hanano is not under rebel control totally at all. On the contrary, it is a quarter of ongoing fighting between rebels of FSA, Al-Nusra and the Syrian government army. The map therefore needs some serious re-editing soon. Already by mid November Hanano was divided between rebels and Syrian Arab Army. And the Army made advances, as it retook the Hanano Army Base on the outskirts. These reports from pro-rebel sources like CNN and Reuters all indicate clearly how the situation changed. It seems some want to keep the map in favour of only rebel advances, which would portray not the reality. Again, another source mentioning the regime strongholds around the police station in Shaar [43]. Also, the Army launched external offensives into Shaar from Bustan al-Basha and the Citadel. Even Zabdiya outskirt of Aleppo is partially under Army control now, after months of heavy shelling by the Army against the rebels in that suburb....NiederlandeFW (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sir, you appear to be confusing the Hanano base area (north-east of citadel) with the Hanano district on the outskirts of the city, which has no known Syrian army presense thus far. Also, "We cannot have wikipedia become a State Department, political or Free Syrian Army or Jihadist success "frontpage"." - what makes you think that? =D 216.231.208.128 (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Dear, no. Although I should not have mentioned the Hanano Army Base, I mean this Photo 7 of 12 Reuters Report Comment very much proves that the frontline between SAA and FSA-rebels is inside Hananon Neighbourhood. I just confused it, but it is still true that Hanano should become olive/brown too. How could the Army control the road to the airport, if Hanano, Shaar were not at least partially in its Army hand?NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hanano district, Hanano base. If you can't tell the difference between the two, you're not competent enough to be proposing map changes. And between your malicious, bad-faithed well-poisoning here and on other pages, the fact that you consider yourself "neutral" is downright laughable. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does not need to be a "frontpage" for rebel successes, as even Assad's friends in Russia are doing a good job of that now. Thought it wasn't possible, but your self-proclaimed "neutrality" looks even more ridiculous. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- You are now dropping your objectivity, sadly enough. Citing Al Jazeera and Al-Arabiya means that you fail to see their political agendas. Bogdanov on December 14, 2012, clarified his comment (warning TIME is not entirely honest on this anymore, there was no backtracking, only clarification). He stated that any rebel victory would come at an unacceptable price and that Russia continues to support the current Syrian government. The same is valid for the Farouk al-Sharaa comment in Al-Ahram in Lebanon, who never said that neither side could win, but that the rebels could never win on the ground, nor could the Syrian Army win "on the ground"!NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sir, you appear to be confusing the Hanano base area (north-east of citadel) with the Hanano district on the outskirts of the city, which has no known Syrian army presense thus far. Also, "We cannot have wikipedia become a State Department, political or Free Syrian Army or Jihadist success "frontpage"." - what makes you think that? =D 216.231.208.128 (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Done, I've removed the old arrows. I agree they're rather misleading. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- And removed a red arrow while claiming to have added new districts (I don't see any new districts added, am I blind?)... I'm wondering, are these arrows even meaningful? I mean, looking at all these arrows, if I didn't know anything else I'd think there was mobile warfare going on in Aleppo, control switching left and right. But we know the reality is completely opposite, there hasn't been a meaningful advance anywhere in Aleppo for months really, while the battles seem to be going on with roughly similar intensity along the entire frontline. Not like we can really judge the variations in intensity anyway, so why try. If I was in charge of this, I'd either remove all the arrows completely, or make a policy of inserting arrows only when the situation actually changes. Like, every time a district changes color (and not because we realize we fucked up, like with south-west aleppo thing, but because the situation actually changed on the ground), I'd also put an arrow there to reflect the fact that the change was recent, then remove the arrow after like two weeks (or some other arbitrary amount of time) to reflect the lack of recent changes in the area. That way the arrows would actually be useful in telling us what is a recent development and what isn't. It would also help in distinguishing map changes that are due to actual developments on the ground from changes that are just due to us realizing we screwed up something. Like for instance, looking at the map today compared to a few days ago one could easily get the idea that the SAA just launched a big offensive in the south-west and successfully recaptured a lot of land, while no such thing actually occurred. With the arrow policy though, one would be able to tell that this isn't what happened. So anyway, if that was the policy, then there would currently be a red arrow into Helak because that change is still relatively recent, and maybe a green arrow into rasafeh since that's also pretty recent, and.... that's about it. Kami888 (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like Amedjay reverted your edits, and added another green arrow. Esn (talk) 22:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I am not refusing to admit that there is no offensive on north western suburbs , I'm just saying that most of the supplies routes of tha army leading to Aleppo are now taken. I'm just wondering how army could launch such powerfull offensives onto rebel held districts. Accorded to you , only SAA attacks in Aleppo, it's just totally false. Amedjay (talk) 13:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
As for the citadel , the army can't really launch attack from there , they're besieged. Look at the map. Hanano and Sakhour are very big districts , I NEVER EVER said that the FSA was in full control of them. The news does not specify in which part of the districts the fighting is. Maybe it's just the area next to Suleman al Halabi or Midan. Amedjay (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- If the FSA/rebels are not in full control, they must be coloured brown/olive and listed as contested (ongoing fights). Sakhour and Shaar and even Hanano are seeing heavy fights. But Sakhour and Shaar are certainly divided entirely, whereas the sources for Hanano are scarce.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- If the FSA/rebels are not in full control, they must be coloured brown/olive and listed as contested (ongoing fights). Sakhour and Shaar and even Hanano are seeing heavy fights. But Sakhour and Shaar are certainly divided entirely, whereas the sources for Hanano are scarce.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Wait WHAT?!?! Did you just say i'm a paid opposition activist? Is that a personal attack? You don't know me and I don't know you why do you start talking **** about me? If I was an activist I won't add new districts , I'll just color everything green. I NEVER ATTACKED YOU , I don't even know who you are so stop saying that i'm a pro opposition editor. Amedjay (talk) 15:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Apologies
- I apologize for my remarks, not for the content though. I failed to assert your good faith. Please accept my apologies. Despite this, Sakhour and Shaar must be entirely in olive/brown. They have seen weeks of clashes between Syrian Army vs. Al-Nusra and FSA now. Still they are listed as "under rebel control". This is no longer true since many weeks.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Still, on content we disagree. Shaar, Sakhour, Hanano are the frontline now in the northeast of the city centre. The Army controls parts of those neighbourshoods once again now too, not only Bustan al-Pasha (70 %).NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- I apologize for my remarks, not for the content though. I failed to assert your good faith. Please accept my apologies. Despite this, Sakhour and Shaar must be entirely in olive/brown. They have seen weeks of clashes between Syrian Army vs. Al-Nusra and FSA now. Still they are listed as "under rebel control". This is no longer true since many weeks.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
It's okay, I forgive you , we just maybe have different opinions but never do that again ok? Amedjay (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Military research center
Military research center in western Aleppo is in control of the rebels of Al Nusra front.You should change the color in green!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.225.49 (talk • contribs)
No sir , you're wrong. The base you're talking about is apparently not the one in western entrance of Aleppo as i thought first but the one in sheikh suleiman. Please not that it already has been overran earlier but taken back by the army. The Jahbat al Nusra group took it on 10 december. It was reported that more or less than 100 soldiers fled to the scientific building wearing gas masks. Amedjay (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Airport Motorway
According to this video from Syrian National TV (Link), Halab (Aleppo) Southern Bypass Motorway from Ramouse to Halab International Airport is under government control, and since this motorway passes through southern neighbourhoods and also Al-Myassar, these should be technically under Syrian Arab Army control. Haghal Jagul (talk) 23:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- Where is Ramouse located? Al-Myassar is already colored contested on the map, it's not certain that it is completely under army control. Kami888 (talk) 00:13, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- Not RS by a long shot, and the main road from Ramouseh to the airport looks to be the beltway, which is A) already coloured red for the small stretch shown and B) largely outside the map's range anyway. Thanks for playing. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 01:54, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
BTW, Ramouse is shown in this link Haghal Jagul (talk) Also according to this video, the traffic on Sheikh Saeed Bridge which passes over government controlled Bypass Motorway is normal and therefore Sheikh Saeed is contested. So Pleas change the colour. Haghal Jagul (talk) 03:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- Again, we do not use the official news organs of involved parties as sources for changing the map. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Additional Landmarks to Map
Futuretrillionaire can you please put the Police Academy up on the map? Thanks in advance Cjblair (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Where is the police academy? 78.232.100.63 (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Dear fellow users, would you confirm whether the area marked "Jedida" on you map is actually the Jdeideh district of Aleppo? Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.80.41 (talk) 23:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think that's correct. I'm not 100% sure though. It's rather annoying that Wikimapia does not use more common romanization of Arabic names. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- >implying anyone uses a common, consistent system of Arabic transliteration. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 01:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Where is the infranty school?14:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.254.120 (talk)
- The infantry school currently under siege is outside the map. You can find it here, to the northeast of Aleppo. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is very important for syrian rebels taking control of infantry school?The siege of this base of regular army is going for several weeks. 21:53, 14 December 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.255.193 (talk)
- Well, sieges are generally long-term things. Base 46 took around two months to capture, Sheikh Suleiman/Base 111 even longer. There are reportedly around 3000 soldiers in the base, which is a fairly large threat. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- This capture is relatively unimportant, as only 350 soldiers were involved and few if any military materiel is involved. The Syrian Arab Army is retreating from the pockets close to the Turkish border in the north since July, in a strategic withdrawal (leaving many regions to neutral Kurdish militias for promise of autonomy for Kurds in future).NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll have to disagree again. It's false to say this base isn't important. It was one of the last bases supplying the army and it had a very important strategic location. The fact that it has fallen into opposition's hands is surrending a little more the syrian army. Amedjay (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Useful source
This youtube video can be useful. link The channel where the updated versions are published link Haghal Jagul (talk) 04:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- "Useful"?-- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 04:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
It is a source, and the guy only presents info which are confirmed. It can be one of the sources refered to, when working on the map and the info about Safira and areas around seem to be detailed and accurate enough. Haghal Jagul (talk) 04:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- "It is a source, and the guy only presents info which are confirmed." you mean he says it's confirmed? There are no actual cited sources for anything going on in his maps. And just look at his battle of Aleppo map, it's nothing like our map, and nothing like any other map on the subject by anyone, including the supporters of the government AND its enemies. Idk where he thinks he's getting this "verifiedinfo" from but I don't think the guy has any credibility. Like he says in the first video, he likes to play strategy games, and that's most of what seems to be going on in his videos, a fantasy strategy game. Kami888 (talk) 14:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- "WWIII" [44] ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Infantry school in Aleppo has been taken.
Numerous youtube videos showing rebels in control of that base, AL-J also has a report I think.
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=36.3236613&lon=37.2479332&z=16&l=0&m=b — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.188.179 (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
CNN also reporting this http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/world/meast/syria-civil-war/ --68.65.56.176 (talk) 18:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
That's cool and all, but that particular base is just off the map, to the northeast, past Handarat. 146.151.97.237 (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Mango
More maps?
Hello! can someone do the same map but for Homs because it is a major battle thanks Alaa94frlb (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
And can someone tell me how to do such maps ? Alaa94frlb (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
- We dont have many RS for Homs situation to make such. We know that Old City and Hamidiya are in rebel control, but how much aside that is in which hands - I have no idea. EllsworthSK (talk) 23:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know but we you can start creating it based on you current infos and we can adjust it with time because I think it is the most significant battle since everything started there (Baba amr....). By the way how do we create such maps ?31.32.152.141 (talk) 00:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing is happening in Homs. Rebels only control one district (Old City). There's hardly any fighting. There's no need for a map. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Old City is not a district, but an area. They also control Hamidiyah. Tim Marshall of Sky News confirmed it just few days ago. He also said that army control from south to Bab Sbaa, than its rebels without specifying northen districts. EllsworthSK (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- According to the latest sources in Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war, there is rebel presence in Old Homs, Khaldiya, Qusour and Jouret el-Shayah (Aljazeera from oct 5 says: “government forces were mainly firing rockets and heavy mortars at the rebel-held neighborhoods of Old Homs, Khaldiya, Qusour and Jouret el-Shayah” and FARS from dec 17 says: ”The army also attacked the terrorist hideouts in Hay al-Khaledia district of Homs”). So either the Independent article is not complete (as the journalist was visiting with the army), or some of these neighborhoods have been taken back by army since oct 5, which is something I have not seen a source for… Tradedia (talk) 04:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- Old City is not a district, but an area. They also control Hamidiyah. Tim Marshall of Sky News confirmed it just few days ago. He also said that army control from south to Bab Sbaa, than its rebels without specifying northen districts. EllsworthSK (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing is happening in Homs. Rebels only control one district (Old City). There's hardly any fighting. There's no need for a map. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know but we you can start creating it based on you current infos and we can adjust it with time because I think it is the most significant battle since everything started there (Baba amr....). By the way how do we create such maps ?31.32.152.141 (talk) 00:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I suggest we can improve maps, I think you should do a map for an overview of Syria as we did for Libya: we put a map of Syria, and we color in red areas held by the regime and in green areas held by rebels ( a map that is like that one about the southern front but we make it more general) can anyone do it please ? it will be better!31.32.152.141 (talk) 01:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- That's probably not a good idea. Maps are very hard to update due to lack of sources. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 02:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Why not? It will be more clear for everyone who is controlling what and I think we have sufficient resources to create a such map as the one that we had for Libya when we colored the entire map in either green or red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.32.152.141 (talk) 02:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- We have Template:Syrian civil war detailed map, which gives control by town at fine detail. Problem is, for areas outside of Aleppo, Idlib, and Rif Dimashq provinces, there's little quality information on who controls what. Plus, there's the irksome problem of how to colour the unpopulated(=uncontrolled) desert, which caused some complaints in making the Libya maps. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- There is a lot of information available from reporters on both sides, but if one only allows Al Jazeera, CNN, Al Arabiya, this is limiting oneself and the article.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- If you want to use FARS and SANA, you can go make a blog elsewhere. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- There is a lot of information available from reporters on both sides, but if one only allows Al Jazeera, CNN, Al Arabiya, this is limiting oneself and the article.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- We have Template:Syrian civil war detailed map, which gives control by town at fine detail. Problem is, for areas outside of Aleppo, Idlib, and Rif Dimashq provinces, there's little quality information on who controls what. Plus, there's the irksome problem of how to colour the unpopulated(=uncontrolled) desert, which caused some complaints in making the Libya maps. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Why not? It will be more clear for everyone who is controlling what and I think we have sufficient resources to create a such map as the one that we had for Libya when we colored the entire map in either green or red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.32.152.141 (talk) 02:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Can someone tell me please how to make maps ? Alaa94frlb (talk) 11:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC) In control of rebels is Khaldyia neighborhood wich is bombarded continuely from regular army for several months.17:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.244.157 (talk)
Hanano Base in center of Aleppo captured by Opposition
Should now be coloured green on map: Syrian fighters capture Aleppo infantry base in latest blow to the Assad regime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.249 (talk) 19:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Editorial mistake. Infantry base is elsewhere, in northen Aleppo. Area is not even included in the map. EllsworthSK (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like it. This article places this "Hanano" base "about 16km north of the centre", which is about where the Muslimiyeh academy is. Strange error though, wonder if there's also fighting by the Hanano base that got cross-wired in making the reports? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 06:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- The Rif Aleppo (outskirts of) "Hanano" infantry base is not in the map.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Correct. Thanks for repeating what two others have said already; it's very helpful and not redundant at all. The actual Hanano base near the city centre is actually on the map already. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- According to the main article would be two different bases, and both have been taken by the rebels. Yet it is confusing--Emiliokun5 (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hanano barracks in center of the city was taken by rebels and subsequently lost to army. Hanano district is yet another thing. Infantry academy is not called Hanano. Probably editorial mistake. EllsworthSK (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- According to the main article would be two different bases, and both have been taken by the rebels. Yet it is confusing--Emiliokun5 (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Correct. Thanks for repeating what two others have said already; it's very helpful and not redundant at all. The actual Hanano base near the city centre is actually on the map already. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- The Rif Aleppo (outskirts of) "Hanano" infantry base is not in the map.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like it. This article places this "Hanano" base "about 16km north of the centre", which is about where the Muslimiyeh academy is. Strange error though, wonder if there's also fighting by the Hanano base that got cross-wired in making the reports? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 06:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Sakhour and Shaar
Sakhour and Shaar should now finally be changed (corrected!) to olive/brown, see the sources above. As stated by others, the road to the Int. Airport of Aleppo is still under Syrian Army control fully, so even the neighbourhoods in between should be given the olive/brown colour. I do not understand why certain participants are trying to block this change to olive/brown. The Syrian Arab Army offensives continue into Shaar and Sakhour and into Hanano, so there should be new red arrows inserted into this map. Finally change the map to the current situation please.NiederlandeFW (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Basic question if for southern districts you have no longer red or green arrows What is the meaning of olive color in that case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierredelacraudetoulon (talk • contribs) 15:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC) It would mean that there is no enough source to clarify who controls which area. Haghal Jagul (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- The brown colour designates that the quarter or neighbourhood is contested, sees fighting. This is the case in many more neighbourhoods than now displayed in this very outdated map. The map seems to be based on Dec 1, 2012. We're 3 week farther now. The rebel offensive in the northwest of Aleppo was repelled, Sakhour, Shaar and Hanano advanced into by Army units, and the road to Aleppo Airport is free. The airport is also used for Red Cross deliveries and for food supplies from Latakia and Beirout.NiederlandeFW (talk) 10:49, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Myassar
Apparently a rebel-sympathising Syrian man in Myassar shot and killed his government-sympathising Russian wife in an argument over Assad [45]. According to the article, there is "no police [referring to government forces, I'm guessing] presence" in the district at all, and gives the impression that rebels run the show. We currently have about a third of it as unclear/contested. Are there sources for that, or are we just basing that on the assumption that the airport must have government defences in the surrounding area? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 23:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
- The article says it happened in "rebel-held district of Maysar in southwestern Aleppo". Myassar Al-Myassar Jazmati (according to Wikimapia) is in the southeast. Are these different districts, or did AFP goof up? -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 23:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
- Given that SW Aleppo is largely regime held (that's where that other major military academy is) and that I don't see anything remotely resembling "Maysar" there in Wikimapia, I'd be inclined to say that AFP done goofed. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 00:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
The airport and the road coming to it is all government controlled, according to the video posted earlier. Haghal Jagul (talk) 03:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- This murder by a Sunni Islamist FSA sympathizing man against his unarmed Russian-born wife (who was an Assad supporter herself) happened in a contested quarter. But as this map is outdated, showing no Syrian Arab Army moves into Sakhour and Shaar (which should be olive brown now), there is always this uncertainty. The road to the airport is in Syrian Army hands, but the neighbourhoods around are contested and firmly fought in. But this map still claims "fully under rebel control". Hanano has a front line, Sakhour has, Shaar has. But still claimed the rebels control them, which is not true. Maybe the neighbourhood was Shaar. The residents in the report say no police is present to act or keep order, but the rebels are not there fully either. The rebels are in the city centre south and northwest. The map needs SERIOUS UPDATING. Many more districts are to be coloured brown (olivebrown).NiederlandeFW (talk) 10:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
More video analysis
Regarding the western edge of the city. As I said earlier, and hopefully the debate is over, It's 100% clear that my initial assumption was wrong and the Al Assad school was not the one under siege. The map should not show anything in that area as contested. The assertion that the FSA is no where near that edge of the city is incorrect however. Just off the map, +/- 4 kilometers from the school, there has been fighting in Khan al asal off and on for a few weeks now. The closest heavy fighting appears to be 10 kilometers west in Kafr Naha. My info on Farafira (just north of the mosque and citadel) is correct. Multiple videos and sources back this up. The area is contested and there has been heavy fighting for over a week. Been out of town for a few days and getting caught up. Only new news of any real movement on the front appears to be an FSA assult on Tishreen. The news is too preliminary to suggest coloring the map as disputed. I'll post details if it appears to be more than just an isolated strike. GFS...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk • contribs)
Additional info on the western front. It appears the army administration college has been taken by the FSA. This is just south of Kafr Naha and in line with other reports. +/- 10 kilometers from Aleppo. http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/fsa-controls-the-administration-college-in-aleppo-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B4-2/ There are a LOT of military bases on the western border of the city, so it appears they are taking them one by one slowly. The FSA is still about 6km off the Aleppo map. GFS— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk • contribs)
FSA is still just off the map in western Aleppo. I think from this video, it's safe to say that Khan Tuman has been taken and the army amunition depot is no more... Depot is about 1/2 km from the town. This is about 5km SSW of Al Asaad military academy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6JRFgsYlPoY#! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 06:16, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Heavy fighting in Maysaloun Neighborhood. This is the area just north of Jedida listed as Hamidiya. The footage does not show enough to be pinpointed by satellite so it should not be changed to contested just yet. I suspect the push is from the south, although the FSA was also pushing into Arkub. http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/death-and-destruction-in-aleppo-outskirts-of-maysaloon/
Other updates not yet worthy of posting. There is a significant increase in video coming from Khan al Asal, including one with a forest in the background. If accurate, it means they are near Al Assad Park, This puts them on the edge of the map, but not yet contesting or holding any ground. Also footage of an attack on the air force intelligence claiming to be from Zahraa. If true, Al Wafa has been infiltrated by the FSA. I'm still scratching my head about this since the reports from Zahraa are consistent over the last few weeks, but I can't for the life of me figure out how they are being supplied. Either Al Wafa has long been infiltrated, or one of the many surrounding bases might have fallen. Strange... GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 06:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikimapia shows quarter "Bustan az-Zahra" right north of Bustan al Qaser direction 7th April municipal stadion. Maybe some reports refer to Bustan az-Zahra instead of az-Zahraa south of Al Wafa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.18.178.94 (talk) 10:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
re az-Zahraa: Note that some reports falsly locate the Air Force intelligence building in Zahraa instead of Al-Layramoun: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9644080/Syria-rebels-battle-for-control-of-regime-military-bases.html and related disussion on Yallasouriya: https://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/tag/zahraa/ Apparently some authors interprete Zahraa to include Al-Layramoun. Other reports may refer to Bustan az-Zahra. If anyone is aware of any report that unambigously refers to skirmishes in az-Zahra, would you please name it. Otherwise please consider to change Az-Zahraa to controlled by government. pirxl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.18.178.94 (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
- i agree with you. i've only heard of zahraa in the context of fights around the the Air Force intelligence building. So please change Az-Zahraa to controlled by government; it looks weird now as a olive colored rectangle in the middle of red as if the rebels got there by parachutes... Tradedia (talk) 23:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Area south of the Stadiums in Salaheddine appears to be in FSA control or contested. This video is filed towards the north and shows an assult on the steet which runs east of the stadium. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3u9AZ8iZGo GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.184.237 (talk) 20:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
4 other videos from the Stadium area, including 2 where I can identify the exact location. Area to the south is defanately FSA or contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 05:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Hanano barracks are now under rebel control link =) --80.29.28.67 (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well that seems weired. Rebels already launched several offensives against this base but got repelled. I already saw this source but there's no confirmation. Amedjay (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
- The base the article is referring to is not on the map. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah , I made another mistake ^^ Amedjay (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Unverified footage Youtube videos and other sources. None of these videos had landmarks I could verify with the exception of one of Hnano base one which was filmed in front of the cemetary to the east. Fighting from Hamdaniyah district #4. This is a large district that surrounds the south and west edge of Al Assad military school. Not surprising since video has been coming from Khan Al Asal for weeks and Khan Tuman for a few days, both about 4km to the S and W. Unclear where footage was from. Recent footage from Midan, taken by FSA, no signs of life, no sound of fighting.. It's unclear if it's scouting of gov't held areas, or disputed. Southern Hamidiya footage showed heavy destruction, FSA moving about. Along with footage from the north (maysaloun) and east (Arquob) of Hnano base, I believe the change of color showing the entire area around it to be disputed is accurate. If the Maysaloun footage is verified, the quadrant to the NW is also disputed with an FSA presence... in which case Hnano Base is fully surrounded for the moment unless the SAA has taken southern Arkub, which was clearly disputed as of about 10 days ago. ~GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 06:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Also have seen videos and reports regarding Hnano.. I believe there is some confusion. A base on the edges of Aleppo fell a few months ago. I believe the footage has been recirculating and causing confusion. Footage I believe to be just 1-2 days old show the Hnano base in downtown aleppo with heavy damage, but under SAA control. Per my comments above, I believe it's at least mostly surrounded at this time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk • contribs)
Is true that rebels storm the 135 brigade and take control of them?This may be verified in videos uploaded from Ugarit news.The brigade 135 is the third military base that rebels take control after regiment 46 and the brigade 111.Who control the city of Afreen of Aleppo governate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.230.235 (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think there may have been some crosswiring of information during news reporting. Hanano barracks is indeed in central Aleppo—I recall reports of the base being briefly stormed by FSA, but govt troops regained control quickly in any event. The one outside the city that was taken is not called Hanano—reports of fighting near multiple bases were likely conflated. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
The map should be changed back to show Hnano base as contested. I understand that there has been a lot of confusion, however very recent footage shows the base at least partially, and I believe currently almost completely surrounded based upon footage from Maysaloun, Arkub, and the cemetary to the east. I think that showing the base as a Red Square, but the area around in the olive disputed would be the most accurate. I'll post links to the footage if I have time later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
IMPORTANT! !!! : [46] plzzz take it in confederation it is a report of al jazeera channel saying who is controlling what in aleppo it is in arabic so someone should translate it!! Alaa94frlb (talk) 03:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- According to that regime controls 40% of the city - Hamdaniya, Jameeliya, Saadallah Al-Jabri square, Zahraa, Suleiman, Aziziyah (that would be this http://wikimapia.org/#lat=36.2106931&lon=37.1527001&z=15&l=0&m=b&search=halab) while rebels control Hanano, Sakhur, beginning of Neirab and some others that are not on the map. Not really much different from what we have here. EllsworthSK (talk) 13:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Can anybody tell me who control Afreen and Safirah districts of Aleppo governorate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.225.130 (talk) 14:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Afrin is controlled by the kurdish militias while Safira is under syrian army's control. hope it helps. Amedjay (talk) 15:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Rebels take control of batalion base close to Mangh airport and now are besegied it.Where is located Mangh military airport?
- Just south of Azaz. EllsworthSK (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
no videos, but several interesting reports. fighting in Al Mohafaza and Aziziyeh as well as the Syrian Quarter. This is speculation but probably coming from Zuhoor and Ashrafiyeh.. Numerous videos show infiltration by the FSA in Zuhoor, and recent videos show rallies in Ashrafiyeh holding FSA flags. Also new but unconfirmable, video from New Aleppo and Al Nasr showing fighting. This is particularly interesting because it shows the infiltration from the west of aleppo. The FSA appears to be making headway on all fronts. I suspect, when only 1 or 2 crumble, the city will fall. A few days, weeks, or even 2-3 months and it's over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 07:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Still waiting to find confirmable video footage but more interesting reports trickling in. 1. Fighting in west New Aleppo. 2. fighting in Tishreen, major assult on Al Mohallab military base there. 3. Reports of limited fighting on Nile Street. 4. Fighting in Zahara and air force intelligence building. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.184.237 (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Internet has been out in Aleppo for 4-5 days, so not alot coming out. New reports of fighting indicate an FSA offensive in Ramouseh in the south. Khan al Wazir near the citadel. The area of the mosque to the west of the citadel should be shown as contested per multiple videos and unofficial chatter. There have also been reports of minor fighting deep into SAA held territory in the city along with posts by newly formed rebel groups. These areas include New Aleppo, Hamandaniya, Zaharaa, muhafaza, tishreen, and reports of sporadic gunfire near nile street. Ashrafiyeh is contested, it's a mixed neighborhood with an FSA presence.. it should probably be shown as half kurd/half contested. very recent heavy fighting reported there. GFS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 07:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Areas south of airport.
The areas of Nairab and Mafafet Al-Nairab are coloured red on the map but there hasn't been any source of fightings or governement prescence, should we change that? Amedjay (talk) 20:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- This source says that FSA has surrounded Kuweires, Neyrab and Menagh airports - are any of those the one on the map? it also mentions an air force intelligence building. This article says it's the one in Aleppo. Don't know how reliable any of these are. Esn (talk) 10:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Well , only the nairab airport is on the map. Amedjay (talk) 21:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
First source cited is an interview with the head of the aleppo military council, exact word used is 'surrounding', like they're in the process of doing so, and coming from an opposition military leader, probably doesn't count as proof positive that they've actually got the airport surrounded on all sides. 65.25.199.132 (talk) 05:42, 26 December 2012 (UTC)Mango
Aleppo international Airport is conducting his flight schedule normal. Doing so, the army has the control of the road to the city.Today flight schedule of Damascus airport that shows the flight to Aleppo.[47]--Dimitrish81 (talk) 09:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes Everyone have been agreeing and providing sources indicating that Aleppo Airport and the road coming to it are safe and therefore these changes must be made to the map. Haghal Jagul (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Froom video uploaded by ugarit news reust as Amiryia neighborhood is liberated by free syrian army,is it true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.230.172 (talk) 21:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, according to this recent report, "the airport is the main way for [Syrian military] forces in the city to get supplies". This seems to make the impression that the govt stronghold in the southeast is not disconnected to the govt territory in the west. If that's the case, I'm guessing the rebels don't control that central southern part. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
They just take the road south of Sheikh Saeed and they pass by Ramouseh industrial zone. Amedjay (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
If you look closely in wikimapia there's a highway that goes south of Sheikh Saeed , we can't see it on the map and that's "the free supplying road" guess that puts an end to all this.... --Amedjay (talk) 18:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Revamped map
I don't understand why was my completely improved map rejected and RV'ed? I added all the major districts that were missing, removed "areas" which are part of the major districts i just mentioned, I also respelled some of the districts to make them correct (all based on wikimapia) and I adjusted the font of the districts to match the area of each respective district...isn't all of this a good thing? so why was I RV'ed? I also added the military intelligence HQ in New Aleppo district. The only change to the colors of the map was making the depopulated area in the extreme north of Aleppo turn green b/c it is part of the opposition Layramoon district. I want a good explanation for why my generous contribution was RV'ed or else I'll readd it. thanks Moester101 (talk) 23:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think Commons is lagging again. This might have caused some confusion. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Actually I'm looking at the map again, and apparently Lothar von Richthofen RV'ed my edit saying it was "An eyesore". First that's an opinionated statement, not a rational reason to RV my more accurate pic. Second, I explained the whole reasoning behind my edit in the paragraph above, in other words my edit had purpose behind it. I'm going to reupload the pic with a few adjustments since my reasoning in the paragraph above beats the term "an eyesore"...I'll try to make it look nicer when I reupload it. Moester101 (talk) 02:29, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
DONE! One more thing, can anyone confirm the status of the Syriac district as Kurdish-controlled? cause I'm pretty sure it's under govt control. Moester101 (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- I think the eyesore Lothar was referring to was the inconsistent font size and font type. Some of the district names look "stretched". You could've can increase the size of the name by using bigger font.-- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- I see...well I've pretty much fixed that with the newest upload. If anything still looks stretched then please feel free to fix it, but just please don't outright RV to the previous version which is soooo incomplete (this message is for everyone reading this, not just to you Mr. Future). Anyways, do you have any info on the status of Syriac Quarter? I'm positive its in govt control. And also Shqayyef industrial district (in the north) is probably also in govt control since it has 2 huge army bases which have not yet been attacked by FSA, so we should probably recolor Shqayyef red, right? Moester101 (talk) 06:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I guess Lothar reverted it because there was too many districts that's why he said " an eyesore" also why did you revert the districts I added? Happy new year neverless. --Amedjay (talk) 12:39, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Also , you changed the place of some districts but they were at the good place, you changed the color of some without justification. --Amedjay (talk) 13:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry if I changed too many things, but I go off of what I see with regards to the battles on the news and youtube. For example I had heard that FSA completely pulled out of Rasafeh to the PYD (hence why I changed it to yellow) I didn't know it was contested. But I guess your changes were good, thanks. Moester101 (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Status of Syriac district and Shqayyef district
Hey, anyone got a clue if Syriac district is really in kurdish hands? Becuase I'm sure it's in govt hands. Also, Shqayyef district in the north has 2 giant army bases which have not been attacked at all by FSA, so we should probably turn Shqayyef into red, right? Moester101 (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, I haven't seen any news concerning those districts. You can change it if you wish. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
We propably have to wait for Shqayyef as for Syriac , I coloured it olive and I added a red arrow. --Amedjay (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Army Brigade 80
lol just a day after showing that the FSA are attacking army base of brigade 80 on the map, the FSA have already begun overrunning the base, taking a part of it and advancing [[48]] Moester101 (talk) 08:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Yup , they started a campaign against airbases to weaken the airforce. That would allow them to advance way more faster --Amedjay (talk) 14:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, fighting in the base of Brigade 80 is confirmed by today's news. [49] -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)