Talk:Aeneas MacKenzie

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 22:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Æneas MacKenzie → Aeneas MacKenzie – Obviously stylish; title should be ordinary, standard format. George Ho (talk) 07:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

• Support as per WP:UE Red Slash 16:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
• Support we also don't use Æon Flux.--174.93.163.194 (talk) 03:58, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
• Comment - sorry George, but what about Hedy Lamarr: The Most Beautiful Woman in Film 2010 "The scripts were to be written by Salka Viertel and Æneas MacKenzie, with Edgar Ulmer set to direct." ? Why is the book wrong? WP:UE isn't the relevant guideline and allows Æ, and we do have Æon Flux. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • It redirects to Aeon Flux. Well, since both styles are used as allowed, policy says use more commonly-used English-language name. "Aeneas" is used in sources, like the 1992 article, the 1930s article, and script of Juarez. None used ""Æneas". George Ho (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Newspapers can't be used for orthography issues per WP:RS, it has to be print books. I don't know honestly, seems to be about 60:10 in books, but then those books wouldn't respect Spanish or French names either. I think the basic assumption that this "stylish" isn't necessarily the case. To my mind Æ should only be used for Anglo-Saxon kings and monks, but it's undeniable that Victorian sources, particularly in Scotland for some reason, do have Æneas Mackay, Æneas Shaw and so on. ... but then again, if you move to California part of the melting pot is having your original ethnic name simplified. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Besides Juarez script, there are other books: [1][2][3][4]. None used "Æneas". George Ho (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

(1) Hedy Lamarr above (2) "The Ten Commandments": Rhetorics Heimlich 2007 (3) Inspired by True Events "As America braced itself for inevitable involvement in World War II, Walsh and screenwriters Wally Kline and Æneas MacKenzie were avid to make a thrilling action picture and, in the process, do their patriotic duty by depicting Custer as a true ..." (4) Bible and Cinema: Fifty Key Films (5) History in the Media: Film and Television. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Many other books use "Aeneas". I didn't find "Æneas" in other books beyond five pages of results, which the remaining do not mention the subject. George Ho (talk) 09:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Considering that he was born in late Victorian Scotland, it is very conceivable that his name was spelled "Æ". Would it be possible to find a source about what his *official* name was, as in birth certificate and records? ^walk victor falk ^talk 11:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I can't find access to these records. George Ho (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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