Talk:Łazienki Park

Ujazdowski avenues?

Sitting on "Ujazdowski avenues?" Is there more than one Ujazdowski avenue? KP Botany 20:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question. It seemed to be the exact translation from Polish where 'allée' exists in singular and plural form in names of streets. In this case the Polish name of this street is Aleje Ujazdowskie. 'Aleje' is a plural form. hth Titus Atomicus (talk) 02:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

"Aleje Ujazdowskie" is "Ujazdów Avenue" (singular, in English). There is only one Ujazdów Avenue. (Same situation with "Aleje Jerozolimskie"). Nihil novi (talk) 05:29, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Truth. But 'aleje' is a plural form. :-) Titus Atomicus (talk) 02:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

And in Paris the name of the famous boulevard, "Champs-Élysées" ("Elysian Fields", in English), likewise takes a plural grammatical form. But no one thinks of the name as a plural, and no one assumes that it refers to two boulevards. Nihil novi (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

No one? As you see someone asked that question. Titus Atomicus (talk) 19:04, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

So, finally, what is your point? Nihil novi (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

My point? Someone (KP Botany) asked the question and the question was answered. That's it. Titus Atomicus (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Ujazdów Castle in Łazienki (Łazienkach)?

The following pasted from talk pages ... Stumps (talk) 23:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

You have added a section on Ujazdów to the Łazienki Park article? Ujazdów is the contemporary art gallery, yes? I would have said that it it isn't really 'in' Łazienki, given the current boundaries of the park - where the fences and gates are. You have to leave the park to get to Ujazdów. Perhaps we could have a 'see also' section of neighbouring attractions such as the Botanical Gardens, and list Ujazdów there? Stumps (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

See: Plan of the Łazienki Park Martim33 (talk) 11:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the link to the map ... yes, after emailng you I did realize that as you walk down towards Torwar amd the sporting stadiums in Łazienkowska etc that the parkland is still described as the Royal Park, and in theory it is possible to climb up the steps to Ujazdowski ... however I seem to recall that the ascent has been closed for a long time (safety perhaps??) ... I no longer live in Warsaw so I can't check current status. Anyhow, I have generally thought of the 'Park' as being the area bounded by the fence (green line in the map) ... and even if you include the extra land leading towards the long water overlooked by Ujazdowski Castle then I'm still not sure that you can say that the castle is 'in' the park ... however, I am pretty ignorant of the historical definition of the park, and its layout pre-WWII for example. I 'feel' that Ujazdowski castle is separate because to get there you have to leave the fenced bit of Łazienki and walk along the road, past the separate botanical gardens (primarily felt as separate because you have to pay an entrance fee) and then down the longish approach before you get to the castle itself ... it's not one of the things you'd typically visit on a Sunday walk like the Chopin monument, the palace on the island, the theatre on the water, the orangeries and so on ... all those things (inside the fenced srea) seem to belong together in the article as they are the various features of the park. Ujazdów may well belong in the article, but it does seem somehow quite separate. Stumps (talk) 09:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I see that Ujazdowski castle is listed in the Polish wikipedia as one of the buildings on the grounds of Royal Łazienki ... so who am I to argue? I'm happy enough to leave as is. Stumps (talk) 00:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You were right the first time. Ujazdów Castle is "a castle in Warsaw's historic Ujazdów district, between Ujazdów Park and Łazienki Park..." Ujazdów Castle is not on the premises of Łazienki Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Similarly, the Belweder Palace is mis-stated in the "Łazienki Park" article as being one of the Park's buildings. It isn't. Its rear abuts on Łazienki, but is not part of the Park. Nihil novi (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, but my hesitation is because I'm wondering if there's some distinction between the 'park' .. where everybody strolls around on a Sunday, and the grounds that are labelled 'Łazienki Królewskie'. Stumps (talk) 08:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

So far as I know, "Łazienki Królewskie ("Royal Łazienki," or "Royal Baths") = "Łazienki Park." And in any case this article is about the Park.

Why don't you put out an inquiry at Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board?Nihil novi (talk) 08:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I've found the answer ... the Polish site for the park lists "buildings connected to the park" (see [1]) and lists the Belweder, Ujazdowski castle and the astronomical observatory. I'll restructure this article accordingly. Stumps (talk) 23:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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House of Narutowicz

The house was the Narutowicz residence before he actually became a president of Poland. see: http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/42806584.jpg When he became the president he moved to the Narutowicz Villa. Remember his presidency took 5 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titus Atomicus (talk • contribs) 19:34, 12 November 2016 (UTC) And I do not think there is any difference between 'to be mistaken for' and 'to be confused with'. Titus Atomicus (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2016 (UTC) More important imho is to to emphasize Narutowicz lived in this house for two years BEFORE he became the president of Poland. Again: http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/42806584.jpg Titus Atomicus (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I've added your information about Narutowicz's two years' residence. Nihil novi (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Royal Baths Park

On 19 December 2023 this article was moved by User:Artemis Andromeda from its previous title, "Łazienki Park", to "Royal Baths, Warsaw". This makes the park's name more accessible to English-speakers.

However, the new title may be misconstrued as meaning that the Baths are some sort of bathhouse such as the Royal Baths, Harrogate.

Why not prevent this by combining the Park's two alternate Polish names, "Łazienki Królewskie" ("Royal Baths") and "Park Łazienkowski" ("Baths Park") and retitling the article to "Royal Baths Park"?

Thanks.

Nihil novi (talk) 21:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Siiiigh. I am sorry but I think it is time to topic ban Artemis Andromeda from making undiscussed moves. I am getting tired of cleaning up after their undiscussed moves. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

PS. Any move like this should be preceded by a talk page rationale, preferably with the analysis of what is the most common name in English. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Yet another name variant comes to mind: "Royal Łazienki Park".

At the moment, I'm agnostic as to which variant might be better: that, or "Royal Baths Park"?

If "Łazienki Park" proves to be the most common name in English usage, then that might suffice.

Nihil novi (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Capacity of amphitheatre

At List of contemporary amphitheatres, the capacity is currently shown as zero because no data is available. Someone may wish to rectify. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)