Talk:Hard sign

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Latest comment: 9 months ago by JordiLopezboy in topic Orthographic device

Sound file needed

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As with the Soft Sign article, this article needs sound files to help people understand how the hard sign affects words. People learning Russian or who are just curious would find it very helpful. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Origin?

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Does anyone know the origin of the symbols for Ъ, Ы, and Ь? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatGuy30722 (talkcontribs) 14:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 13 November 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply



ЪHard sign – Like others in Category:Cyrillic letters. P.S. There is also Soft sign. Викизавр (talk) 11:40, 13 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

If yer then leave as is. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
That usage is already covered in the article yer. This article is about the modern cyrillic character. "Hard sign" is its Unicode designation (Ъ#Computing codes). -- Netoholic @ 03:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Some of that usage is indeed covered in Yer, but what's more important it is (as it should be) covered here as well: my point was that the title of this article should match its scope. – Uanfala 09:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment. Whatever title Ъ ends up taking, the Ь article needs to be equivalently named. We likely won't have a strong consensus one way or the other with different languages using different names. Russian uses "hard and soft signs" or in older orthographies consistent with Old Church Slavonic, the "back and front jers", Bulgarian uses "big and small jers", etc. This letter has too many names in the various languages for one to be fully supported 100% by everyone. 8.40.151.110 (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • And while we're at it, can we make the infobox image be upright and not italicized? 8.40.151.110 (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. This is what it is called in English. Other Cyrillic letter articles are named for their modern Russian usage without restricting article scope; for example, Ge (Cyrillic) instead of He (Cyrillic) (as in Ukrainian etc.) or Glagoli (the original name). Gorobay (talk) 13:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The origin of the alphabet (and the letter).

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In all parahraphs, and overall everywhere is mentioned "Russian alphabet ", "Rusyn languages", "Russian and Rusyn ontography", "Old East Slavic", or some "pre-reform Russian ontography" and that letter and the alphabet, the Cyrillic symbols at all, Bulgarian!!! The original and very first Cyrillic alphabet was developed (rather compiled) in Bulgaria, way before Russia even existed, in the year 893 (was declared for official alphabet) A. C., a few year after Knyaz Boris-Mihail 1st welcomed the disciples of Saints Cyril and Methodious, name Clement of Ochrid and Naum of Preslav after they were exiled from Great Moravia. The two of them play a big role in cultural, linguistic and spiritual movements in Bulgaria and were crucial figures for having Bulgarian Orthodox Church granted the status of " an autocephalous archbishopric" by the Patriarchate of Constantinopole! Clement trained thousands of Slavonic-speaking priests who replaced the Greek-speaking clergy from Constantinopole still present in the Bulgarian kingdom, or said otherwise, transformed liturgy from spoken in Greek (that no average person attending them understood) in to spoken in Slavonic (with Cyrillic letters) that everybody was understanding now! So Cyrillic alphabet was created, compiled by Clement of Ochrid and Naum of Preslav who set up educational centers in Pliska and Ochrid to further the development of the Slavonic lettes and liturgy, ending up with the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet! In the following centuries, other Slavic people adopted the alphabet (in this number, Russia as well), the letter "ъ" always has been in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it's origin ain't no "Russian" or "Rusyn" languages and it's so misleading for people who aren't introduced to the history of Cyrillic and the languages coming from it and is mistreating and non-respecting my country and its contribution to such huge and important impact in cultural, linguistic and spiritual history! It's even celebrated with an official day - 24th May - the celebration is called "Day of Slavonic alphabet, Bulgarian enlightment amd culture" when Bulgarians celebrate being one of the first nations having their own script, created in the Bulgarian empire, by noble Bulgarian, and serving a great cause, as well as their rich culture, teachers, enlightment, awareness.. And it's still celebrated every year, being an official work-off day! So you better correct this article because its ridiculous giving credit to a nation who has nothing to do with the creation of this symbols (and its alphabet).. With all due respect, Russian script and linguistic was only INSPIRED by the Bulgarian Cyrillic script, as well as a lot of Slavic scripts... "With the orthographic reform of Saint Evtimiy of Tarnovo and other prominent representatives of the Tarnovo Literary School (14th and 15th centuries; Veliko Tarnovo was then Bulgarian's capital) such as Gregory Tsamblak or Constantine of Kostenets the school influenced Russian, Serbian, Wallachian and Moldavian medieval culture. That is famous in Russia as the second South-Slavic influence."... 212.39.89.16 (talk) 11:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Adding Hard sign with grave

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Since Hard sign is long and Hard sign with grave is short, I thought of combining the two. Asher2012 (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

If you are going to merge the two, then consider merging all other letters with diacritics that apply similarly. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
Closing, given the uncontested objection (implied) and no support. Klbrain (talk) 22:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Orthographic device

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The Russian section has a sentence "It has no phonetic value of its own and is purely an orthographic device." What in the darn world is an orthographic device?! JordiLopezboy (talk) 02:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply