Talk:1991 NHL dispersal and expansion drafts

Draft Results

I just created this page but couldn't find any kind of round-by-round data for the draft, just a list of the players chosen by San Jose. I have no recollection of this event and don't know how the draft was conducted (indeed information in general about this seems to be really scarce, hence me creating a page about it), but it seems like there should be a list of round-by-round choices for both San Jose and Minnesota. Of course the draft itself was not very important or interesting (the purpose for it and the decision to have it, more so), but it would be nice to be accurate. GT 08:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

So they rip apart an existing team, franchise and fan base, simply to stock a new one as a fop to certain owners. Can someone please find a third party source that rips the NHL, the Gunds and anyone else involved for allowing something as corrupt and stupid as this to occur? The NHL in those days was a joke, and this was simply one more example. Please see Alan Eagleson to understand just how corrupt the NHL was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrgilb (talk • contribs) 03:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

I note that yes, each expansion draft the NHL has held was under varying circumstances, but it is irksome that the charts and presentation are not handled consistently from article to article. Aside from that, there are inconsistencies within this one: states that the Sharks were to take 14 North Stars skaters and 2 goalies, and then we have a chart with 24 skaters, 4 of whom are goalies. Echoedmyron (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A result of missing information that I will try to add. They did in fact take 14 skaters and two goalies, who were playing professionally for Minnesota or Kalamazoo. The final 8 and 2 were players that the North Stars had rights to, but were either in junior, college, high school, or europe.18abruce (talk) 21:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 17 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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• 1991 NHL Dispersal and Expansion Drafts → 1991 NHL dispersal and expansion drafts
• 2021 NHL Expansion Draft → 2021 NHL expansion draft
• 2017 NHL Expansion Draft → 2017 NHL expansion draft
• 2000 NHL Expansion Draft → 2000 NHL expansion draft
• 1999 NHL Expansion Draft → 1999 NHL expansion draft
• 1998 NHL Expansion Draft → 1998 NHL expansion draft
• 1993 NHL Expansion Draft → 1993 NHL expansion draft
• 1992 NHL Expansion Draft → 1992 NHL expansion draft
• 1979 NHL Expansion Draft → 1979 NHL expansion draft
• 1978 NHL Dispersal Draft → 1978 NHL dispersal draft
• 1974 NHL Expansion Draft → 1974 NHL expansion draft
• 1972 NHL Expansion Draft → 1972 NHL expansion draft
• 1970 NHL Expansion Draft → 1970 NHL expansion draft
• 1967 NHL Expansion Draft → 1967 NHL expansion draft

– Per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, reserve caps for proper names. These are most often lowercase in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 02:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Neutral - IMHO, either versions (uppercase or lowercase) are acceptable. GoodDay (talk) 02:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Then you should have let me fix per guidelines instead of reverting, causing lots of editors to need to spend time on a many-times-settled question. Dicklyon (talk) 03:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Give others a chance to give their input, on whether the pages should be moved or not. GoodDay (talk) 03:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  This really needs to stop, GoodDay. We have guidelines and sources for a reason. Everything on WP is lower-case by default, unless and until "capitalized in a substantial majority of independent reliable sources" (MOS:CAPS) is conclusively proven for a particular term/name. We absolutely, positively do not need to have a capitalization battleground about every single imaginable case connected to sports or any other topic you happen to be particularly interested in. This kind of stuff is a tremendous waste of editorial time and attention, and a marked and worsening drain on inter-editor collegiality. The entire community is sick to death of it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  We do have guidelines, ones which GoodDay does not appear to be violating and ones which Dicklyon needs to learn to adhere to (WP:PCM). But you're right, the community IS sick to death of people refusing to go through the process when it's obvious as can be that moves will be objected to. It's as if some people believe they should be above having to find consensus when there's a solid chance something may be objected to. If you have issues with the user's conduct take it up with them on their talk page or at ANI. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support — In this case, I think Dicklyon is correct. Masterhatch (talk) 03:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support—Why do we want to poke readers' eyes out with caps when they're not signifying proper names? The lack of logic creates unnecessary tension in the text. Tony (talk) 03:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Tony1, I think you've come up with a good description of at least two reasons why lowercasers want to lowercase. Someday somebody is going to do a thesis on "Casing on Wikipedia, the Eternal Internal Struggle for the Perfect Proper Name". Randy Kryn (talk) 04:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• The very putting of this in terms of "lowercasers" as a label to pin on editors who are simply following the guidelines and the sourcing is a very bad sign. This kind of "us vs. them" approach is the complete and sole cause of any "eternal internal struggle" on such matters. Tooth-and-nail resistance against simple and consistent guidelines applying to particular subjects (and, more to the disruptiveness point, constant interference with editors who are not engaging in such anti-guideline activism, but just following the guidelines and the sourcing) are the only reason there is any "struggle" at all and the only reason it is dragging it out into "eternity". It needs to stop.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support the 1967 expansion has its own article and has a case to gain promotion to upper case, except it faces a tougher fight. To the expansion drafts, it's hasta la vista. Conyo14 (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS. Flibirigit (talk) 10:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support, obviously, per MOS:CAPS (especially MOS:SPORTCAPS and MOS:SIGCAPS) and the derived WP:NCCAPS; this is not "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources". The WP:RMTR admins need to stop entertaining "revert these moves that were compliant with the guidelines and sources, simply because an RM wasn't held, and force an RM to be held" nonsense. This is annoying, pointless, and sucks away editorial time and collegiality.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Closure

I see no reason to re-list, so will be requesting closure when the RM tag expires. GoodDay (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.