Talk:2010 Auto Club 500

GA Review

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Reviewer: SamH (talk) 09:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'll post a review soon. SamH (talk) 09:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I think that the main problem with this article is that there needs to be more background information and explanation about the race. Currently the article contains most of the bare facts but doesn't offer enough explanation for people who are not familiar with NASCAR. Specific points that I think should be added or clarified are:

• Presumably the race was broadcast live, so maybe this should be stated.
  •  Added. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• How many drivers and how many teams entered and what makes of car were used. Were there any notable absentees?
  •  Added. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• A little bit of background about who the drivers so you can understand who the front-runners are would be good. For example, who was leading the championship, who won the race last year, who was the reigning champion?
  •  Added. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• Explain what the schedule of practices and qualifying were. I.e. when were they held?
• Why did the three drivers not qualify?
  • I added in a few details. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• Is an invocation usual practice?
  • This happens and has happened in every NASCAR race. It would be redundant to list this fact in each race article. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• "Jamie McMurray led them to the green flag". I think the meaning of this needs to be more explicit.
  • I clarified this sentence. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• What is a green-flag pit stop? Why is it different to any other pit stop?
  • I added an explanation. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• The first time it's mentioned, I think there should be some explanation of what a caution is.
  • I added an explanation here as well. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• It's mentioned that Montoya collided with the wall but not that his engine failed.
  • His engine did not fail. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• "The fourth caution, caused by the exploding engine of Ryan Newman..." Did the engine actually explode or is there a more factual term for what happened?
  • I reworded this sentence. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• "Gordon, caused by a poor restart, was passed..." Presumably this means Gordon did a poor job of getting away but I think this should be clearer.
  • I clarified this sentence. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Other info that would be nice but I don't think is necessary for a good article:

• Any noteworthy incidents in the practice and qualifying sessions. E.g crashes, stoppages, ruction between competitors.
• How many spectators attended and how many watched on TV. How did these compare to other races and the same race last year.
• Was there any international TV coverage?
• Quotes from the drivers and team personnel.
• Media assessment of the race and the drivers' performances.

I know it's a different sort of racing, but have a look at this good article for an idea of what sort of info could be included: 2008 French Grand Prix.

Also, the writing seems a bit clunky in places and drivers are linked multiple times. I've had a go at editing it; hope this is OK. All of the other criteria are fine. SamH (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I have addressed the important bullet points above. I don't think the five bullet points in the optional section are necessary. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 13:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I made a couple more small changes but two things are still not clear to me. One is why the three drivers didn't qualify. Presumably they didn't set a fast enough time; if so, that should be explicit. Also, the race report on the NASCAR site says Montoya went "into the wall" on lap 141 but the LA Times article says his engine failed on lap 140 and doesn't mention a crash so I'm not quite sure what happened. SamH (talk) 18:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I think it's close to meeting the requirements but nothing has been done for a while now so I think it has to fail. :( SamH (talk) 12:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2010 Auto Club 500/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Airplaneman ✈ 17:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In order to save space, all unsigned comments are mine.

• Closing comments: Thanks to all who participated for addressing the issues quickly. Because of that, the article has gone from this to this in less than three days. In its current condition, the article meets the good article criteria, and I will pass it. However, I do have a few suggestions for further improvement beyond GA status. Included are the comments under "Other info that would be nice but I don't think is necessary for a good article" in the first GA review. This will help beef up the prose a bit and add a bit more to the article. And, as always, more reliable third party references couldn't hurt. I'm sure there are a couple more out there! Overall, fantastic work. I am more than happy to put {{Good article}} on this article. Airplaneman ✈ 01:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

General

• Images: Well-captioned, with appropriate usage tags.
• A lot of work will need to be done to make this a GA, but I think we can make it happen. I'll go through the article and make copyedits myself.
• To model off one of your best GAs, 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350, add the following sections:
  • Background
    • Stuff on pre-race standings, driver news, and the track. Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 18:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Post-race
    • Needs its own section, with more info. Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 03:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Qualifying results Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 22:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Standings after the race Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 18:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Look for more reliable third party sources for additional verification. As of now, most sources are NASCAR sources (which are fine).
  • Look at them now. Unlike 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350, there were no driver changes, and some of the refs there are English, but for this article they are spanish or something. I was hoping to find more, but thats about all. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 04:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
    • It is better.
      • Okay. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 04:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• Please fix the redirect external link highlighted in green in checklinks.
  • How, I don't understand. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 21:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC) Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 21:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Lead/infobox

• References are not needed in the lead because all information in the lead should also be in the body of the article. Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 03:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• Please add a more detailed race summary.
  •  Doing...; Your not talking about the race summary are you? --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 03:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
    • No - I'm asking for maybe a paragraph on the race in the lead section. :)
      • Okay, that was what I was assuming. This is going to be a little difficult. :/ --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 03:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC) Done --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 03:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• More on post-race standings Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 02:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• Please make sure my changes didn't distort the meaning of anything.
  • You did a great job; nothing changed as in meaning. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 04:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Background

• Edit made.
• "The track's turns are banked at fourteen degrees, while the front stretch, the location of the finish line, is banked at eleven degrees." - please link/define "banked". Also, any info on the banking of the backstretch? Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 23:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
  • No, not on the source, I quess it is flat. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 21:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
    • If you can, please find a source on the track that gives that information.
      • For the degree of banking? It is sourced, you have to go down half a page. If you are talking about the backstretch, no it was hard to find that source. --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 23:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
  • It's defined as Banked turn. Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 21:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Practices and qualifying

• Copyedited, no other issues.

Race summary

• I'm not sure why you removed the info on broadcasting (radio and TV networks) that used to be in the lead. I think it'd fit well here in this section in the first paragraph. Done; it is in the infobox and the section now. Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 04:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• I've copyedited the section and added a citation needed tag.
  • (edit conflict) I have reworded that paragraph to correspond to the source and replaced the citation needed tag with a citation. ~NSD (✉ • ✐) 00:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
• Paragraph one, last sentence: "Between around laps 35 to 40" pick one preposition or the other, not both. I would go for "between", as it fits better. Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
• "On lap 57, the first caution period of the race was called because of debris." debris where? (Most likely on the track, but just to make sure...) Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
• The second paragraph is very short. Could you add some info from laps 61 to 92? (maybe lead changes and stuff like that) Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
  • If its not there now, I doubt there were any because when I added the race summary to this article, I tried to get all the lead changes. This race was not very exciting like 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 250 or 2010 Showtime Southern 500. Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook}
    • OK. It is still relatively short, containing only four short sentences. I have combined it with paragraph three.
      • And I've restructured the section into four moderately-sized paragraphs. Please add a citation where I put the tag. Other than that, everything else looks good.
• "Then, on lap 140, the third caution came out because Montoya's engine failed, causing him to collide with the turn one wall." - where is turn one? Try something like "Then, on lap 140, the third caution came out because Montoya's engine failed, causing him to collide with the wall at turn one (the first turn after the finish line)." Also, was it the inside or outside wall?
  • Couldn't they look at the image of the track that has the turn numbers, and it was the outside wall. Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
    • You're right. Yes, they can, so I rescind my comment :).
      • Okay. :) --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
• "The fourth caution, caused by the blown engine of Ryan Newman, came out on lap 147." the word "blown" sounds a bit too informal to me for an encyclopedia article. Try something different, preferably not "failed" if you can since it was used in the last sentence. Done expired Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
• "No cautions were called until Brad Keselowski collided with the turn four..." again, please define "turn four". Was it the inside or outside wall? Done Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Post-race

• Copyedited. Please review my edit. Otherwise, it looks fine.
  • You added SIC, whch means that the quote is incorrect, but It is the same in the reference. Umm? --Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Thanks for catching that. On second thought, I have no idea whether or not it was a transcription error, so I'll remove it.
      • Okay. Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Tables

• No concerns there. Everything looks good.
  • YAY! :) Nascar1996 ^{Contributions / Guestbook} 00:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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