Talk:2012 Delhi gang rape and murder/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 11:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I'll take this review. I'm extremely sorry to see you're leaving, Soni. With luck, this will only need minimal tweaks that I can do myself to pass. Thanks for your work on it--I've had my eye on it as one of the top 50 articles for WP Human rights.

Anyway, comments to follow later today or tomorrow. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• A note: based on [1], if any big changes are required, I'll do my best. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, Luke, I really appreciate it. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Not a problem. This is the sort of article that really should be done to a good standard, and it would be a shame to waste the work people have put in because Soni retired. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I am more than willing to help as well. I agree that it is an important article. Gandydancer (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Terrific, thanks. I'll try to do a complete readthrough with comments this afternoon, and we'll see where we're at. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Initial comments

• "The rest of the accused remain on trial in a fast-track court." -- this seems like something that could change in a few months' time. I'd suggest writing "As of xxxx 2013" or some similar phrase here per WP:REALTIME.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• So if the father did give permission, as stated here, was her name ever officially revealed?

• Okay, I see the lengthy talk page discussion here. This perhaps can be revisited later, but I'm fine with not doing so for now. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "has been criticised for being purely political" -- It seems worth clarifying who did the criticizing here

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The "fortification" of Delhi was criticised by many, including the main opposition party of the country" -- the source doesn't seem to mention any criticism besides the opposition party. I'm also uncomfortable with "fortification" appearing before the context, and without a citation (it doesn't seem to appear in the given source). I'd suggest rewriting this as something like "The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), the country's main opposition party, criticized the high security levels".

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The fast track court will conduct the trial of the accused" -- the lead stated that the trial was already underway; this should be reconciled.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The juvenile, Mohd. Afroz, will be tried separately in a juvenile court." -- is this up-to-date that this trial hasn't yet started?

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "Police claimed that peaceful protests..." -- rewrite "claimed" per WP:WTW

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The protests have been explained " -- better to say who's doing that explaining here ("A columnist for the South Asia Analysis Group explained the protests as...")

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• ""Wake up call"" -- this is implied to be an exact quotation, but isn't quite.
• "The Delhi police force was accused of using excessive force against the protestors," -- better to say who made this accusation (in this case, the Hindustan Times)

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• The paragraph beginning "Since her death, the unprecedented protests..." seems like much too close a paraphrase of its source per WP:PARAPHRASE. Also, "Sexual assaults made headline news almost daily" may no longer be an ongoing thing. Are there up-to-date statements about this?

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "After her death her father spoke to the press saying, “We want the world to know her real name. My daughter didn’t do anything wrong, she died while protecting herself. I am proud of her. Revealing her name will give courage to other women who have survived these attacks. They will find strength from my daughter.”[110] Her father also said that "People should move ahead in the struggle to prevent a similar crime happening again as a tribute to her."[111]" -- this statement by the father has already appeared once in the article.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• The "Reactions" section should be rewritten to avoid having many small subsections, per WP:LAYOUT. It's also a bit disjointed to have some events from the days of the protests (shut down train stations, etc.) moved down here.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• Repeated links like Delhi and Uttar Pradesh should be delinked in their later uses (only linked once in lead and once in body) per WP:REPEATLINK, though this isn't an issue for GA

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Going to have to take a break for now, but hope to finish this one later tonight... -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The following day, in the Indian parliament, severe punishment was demanded for the perpetrators." -- the day following the attack? Or following the announcement"?

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The protests there have taken inspiration from the Indian protests, but are also focusing on local issues about rape and domestic violence." -- are these protests still ongoing? This probably should be in past tense now instead of present.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "also pointed out " -- could be rewritten more neutrally (stated, argued) per WP:WTW

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "Similar criticisms were aired in The Massachusetts Daily Collegian" -- as a college newspaper, this seems like an incredibly trivial source to include here

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• I've shortened the US State Department citation for the victim, cutting out a sentence that simply recapitulates what happened. Is this all right with you two? I'm hoping this will make it flow better.

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "which will be operated by the state police" -- is the tense still correct here--this not open yet?

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "It will also suggest measures to make Delhi and the wider National Capital Region safer for women. The report was to be submitted within three months and will be tabled in Parliament along with action taken by the government" -- this seems like it needs updating; it's now been almost seven months since this began

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• "The task force may co-opt any such member/task force that it may deem fit" -- I don't understand what this part means

•  Done -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• I notice that no sources in the article seem to date past February--has there been no news at all since then on the trials, or any of these committee reports, etc.? -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:25, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

One Indian RS is giving frequent updates. I check them but it has not seemed possible to me to give a "blow-by-blow" account, so I have given no updates. I decided it was best to wait... Gandydancer (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's best. After the verdicts, international and national news sources should have recaps on the trials as a whole that we can use to update. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Current event

So after poking around on Google News, it seems that the trial of the adult defendants is happening this very week.[2] One of the quickfail criteria used to be "a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint", which this is, but we no longer have that criterion listed. I've asked at WT:GAN for input on how to proceed, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts there.

My own initial thinking is that we probably can't get this article stable enough to pass it until the end of the trial--there's no sense in passing it as a GA if it will require a major update in a few weeks' time. Probably the best thing to do for now is for the three of us to collaborate on having the article as ready to go as possible; when the trial verdict and sentences, and accompanying reactions, are in, we can renominate. I'll wait to hear from you and some opinions at WT:GAN, though, before taking any action. -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• I personally don't mind waiting a few weeks extra, if that's required - who knows, Soni might even have returned by then. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• That's a good point, too. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Closing review

This article is in overall good shape and is close to meeting the criteria in most respects. The biggest concern here is that a thorough copyvio check is needed; at least one paragraph seemed to be close paraphrasing of the source. (This is common in current events articles like this assembled by a large number of editors, but is a serious issue that we'll need to address.)

Since the trial is ongoing, however, this can't be considered stable enough to meet the GA criteria; the verdicts and sentences, and reactions to them, will require a major expansion and rewrite. For that reason I'm closing the review for now, but without prejudice to future renomination once the trial is complete. (I might renominate it myself, in fact, if Soni's not back to do it.) -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I hope you do take it on when it is the right time--you are doing a terrific job! Gandydancer (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Mostly just polish so far, though. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)