Talk:Protests against Nicolás Maduro

Rename to Venzuelan crisis

I would like to propose rename to Venezuelan crisis from Venezuelan protests, per WP:COMMONNAME in the media. Thoughts? Baking Soda (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Interesting proposal. I am looking up in the media now how common that name is. @ZiaLater: what are your thoughts? My initial inkling is to have it read "The 2014 -2015 Venezuelan protests, also known as the Venezuelan Crisis,..." DaltonCastle (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Whichever way we decide, we should also create a redirect pointing to the main article. I.e. if we keep it "2014-2016 Venezuelan protests" there should be "Venezuelan crisis" redirect that links to the main page. DaltonCastle (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

There does appear to be some notability of this naming. This will probably be tough to decide. I'll wait for Zia's thoughts. He's more of an expert on this subject than I. DaltonCastle (talk) 20:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

She is more of an expert, unless gender wrong in Zia's account settings. Baking Soda (talk) 21:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

For all I know the economic crisis began in the late of 2012, the political crisis started around the dead of Chavez in 2013 and the protests (bigger and louder protests) were in early 2014. Mix the current crisis and the protests of 2014 its a nonsense IMHO. My proposal would be in any case, leave this as the main article for the protests and start a new one for the crisis, that new article would include information already developed here and in others articles like the healthcare and scarcity issue. Cheers --Oscar_. (talk) 10:33, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

@Baking Soda: @DaltonCastle: @Oscar .: A little late on this, don't know why I missed it! So first, yes, it is she. Next, the article Crisis in Bolivarian Venezuela has been created, and the protests are part of this crisis. The article is sort of a catch-all, showing the various characteristics of the crisis. Would like to see more involved!--ZiaLater (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Guys this page should not be renamed as it is nothing more then #stratfor funded protests. Watch today report from democracy now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dim9uOsDuI for more of explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.179.210 (talk) 23:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move january 10 2018

I proppose to merge this page with the venezuelan crisis(2012-present )page due to the continuity of the events Gregorius deretius (talk) 00:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Support I think this could do. Ping to @Oscar .: and @NuclearWizard: --Jamez42 (talk) 03:28, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

It'd would be a massive merge (187,774 bytes against 78,269 bytes) and I really don't see that feasible at least someone takes charge to said: "I'm going to do it", any takers? --Oscar_. (talk) 03:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I do not think a merge would be necessary but a rename is definitely needed since we've had to rename this about 4 times now and the protests are likely to continue for several years so I propose renaming it to "Venezuelan unrest". The Ninja5 Empire (Talk) 06:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 12 January 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Considering all viewpoints there's consensus to move to Venezuelan protests (2014–present). Although this is not the name proposed but this name covers the underlying reason for the move request. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 14:56, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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2014–2018 Venezuelan protests → Venezuelan civil unrest – This page has been renamed 4 times as the protests are showing no end and are continuing throughout the rest of the decade. The protests show no signs of ending anytime soon and it is turning more into a civil unrest so I recommend a more permanent name for the article. The Ninja5 Empire (Talk) 07:33, 12 January 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. ToThAc (talk) 18:16, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Agreed Gregorius deretius (talk) 10:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• "Civil unrest" is the more formal and unambiguous term; suggest Venezuelan civil unrest per NYT, U.S. News, and the Toronto Star, among others. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Changed to "civil unrest" as that is a better term for it. The Ninja5 Empire (Talk) 02:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose I agree with the need for a name change, but "Venezuelan unrest" is simply too vague. It's not like this is the first time the country has experienced civil unrest. As suggested in the prior section, "Protests during the presidency of Nicolás Maduro" makes more sense. I would volunteer "Venezuelan civil unrest in the 2010s."  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 17:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Protests during the presidency of Nicolás Maduro" would be too broad since the movement had not begun until February 2014 and such a title would suggest it could go all the way back to 2013. "Venezuelan civil unrest in the 2010s" would also be too broad as it would span back to the Chávez presidency. Providing an accurate timespan would be preferred.----ZiaLater (talk) 21:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Comment I'll leave the Unrest article for anyone interested in looking for other articles with similar names. I should also note that before February 2014 there were protests after the presidential elections in March 2013 among fraud allegations, that the Dakazo happened in November of the same year and if I recall correctly there were also several social protests between these dates.--Jamez42 (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Support'": the recent death of Oscar perez has proven that the events in venezuela aren't just a normal wave of protests ,its starting to be a full blown political conflict like the Burundian unrest,so based on these events ,i think that you really have a point and i support the name change of this article and i want this article to be changed quick . ---Unodostrezcatorze (Talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unodostrezcatorze (talk • contribs) 18:48, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Support: This protest wave is really taking a long time to end and everyday more people are dying while the government clings to power . In don't think that this is just another normal wave of protests . Bicho preto (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 21:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: As stated before, the article is confusing if only referring to protests. WP:NOTNP and we can't assume that the wave of protests lasted forever and ever. The only term describing this article to perfection are the crisis or economic meltdown with all the consequences surrounding that (looting, protest for food, etc), but we're already have one article that focus this: Crisis in Venezuela (2012–present). The solution is to merge that article with this one or vice versa. --Oscar_. (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. I could see an argument for Venezuelan protests (2014–present) to prevent the continuous renames, but not the proposed titling. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:50, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose, but concur with Anarchyte's suggestion of Venezuelan protests (2014–present).--Aervanath (talk) 21:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
• :Comment: The protests started in 2013, in any case it should be called Venezuelan protests (2013–present). However I must still express my disagreement with this suggestion because of the first reason why I started the naming proposal: it is misleading and it gives the idea that there's a single wave of protests that hasn't ended, although I like the idea of starting with 2013 to give a sense that it is a movement as a whole.--Jamez42 (talk) 03:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose nom, support Venezuelan protests (2014–present). Separately, how is this article different from Crisis in Venezuela (2012–present) and 2017 Venezuelan protests? To repeat a point from a rename on the Crisis page: in 50 years the name will probably be "Protests in Bolivarian Venezuela", but there's no good common name at this time. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:20, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Rename

I really think by now that it would be a lot more practical to rename the article as "Protests against Nicolás Maduro". --Jamez42 (talk) 17:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I have moved the article to this new name. There are already several similar pages that use this format, including Protests against Barack Obama, Protests against Bongbong Marcos, Protests against Donald Trump, Protests against Emmanuel Macron, Protests against George W. Bush and Protests against Rodrigo Duterte. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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