Talk:2014–2015 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia

Requested move 28 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 12:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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(non-admin closure) The result is moved. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 12:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

2014 Southeast Asian floods → 2014 South and Southeast Asian floods – I suggest to change the title (2014 South and Southeast Asian floods) and include the other affected South Asian countries such as Sri Lanka. As per today, there are 21 death and 800,000 people displaced in Sri Lanka. --Anton^Talk 18:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Sri Lanka is thousands of kilometres away; the flooding there should probably be treated separately, in its own article. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I understand that it's part of the same storm system affecting Southeast Asia proper, so I think it deserves to be on this page. --Nicccky — Preceding undated comment added 17:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree for Sri Lanka to be included because floods in Java, Indonesia with that in West Malaysia and Southern Thailand was also caused by a different storm system. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

What about if we name the floods to 2014–15 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia? Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 02:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Like--Anton^Talk 05:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I support the move to 2014–15 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia.Cerevisae (talk) 06:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Already 7 days, this article should be moved now. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 11:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Philippines

Should it be excluded as it's a completely different weather system (a tropical cyclone)? It could be on some other place, such as a potential article about that cyclone, not here. –HTD 15:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I think it should be maintained here as the floods in the northern Borneo was also caused by the same storms that affected the Philippines area. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

That means the floods at Northern Borneo and the Philippines were a separate weather system from those in the mainland SEA and Sumatra. That means it could go to typhoon's page, not here. The last cyclone isn't exactly a creation of the monsoon. The "Causes" section of this article stipulate that the flooding is caused by the southeast monsoon, not to the typhoon. –HTD 10:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Correct, same goes to the floods in the Java island. But as this article was named as Southeast Asian floods, it covers the whole. This article still lack of contributor from most Southeast Asian countries, feel free to added more if you know the cause of Philippines floods. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 11:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

The scope is presumably limited to only what's found in the "Causes" section. "2014–15 Southeast Asian floods" theoretically could mean any floods that occurred/will occur from 2014 to 2015; of course, that's not the intention of this article, which is limited to the floods caused by the monsoon. –HTD 11:52, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, if it goes like that, feel free to remove it. I understand we should take some article like the 2014 Southeast Europe floods as an example. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

2014 Southeast Europe floods is also limited to the damages caused by "a low-pressure cyclone designated Tamara and Yvette". At first glance it doesn't include any other damages from other weather systems affecting roughly the same area at roughly the same time. See Talk:2014 Southeast Europe floods#Criteria for including a country and its floods for a similar discussion. –HTD 12:24, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Um, wait. I just checked a Malaysian meteorological website and it stated;

“ The weather in Malaysia is characterised by two monsoon regimes, namely, the Southwest Monsoon from late May to September, and the Northeast Monsoon from November to March. The Northeast Monsoon brings heavy rainfall, particularly to the east coast states of Peninsular Malaysia and western Sarawak, whereas the Southwest Monsoon normally signifies relatively drier weather. ”

That means the floods that currently affecting West Malaysia, southern Thailand and parts of Sumatra right now is the northeast monsoon? So some areas will need to be removed such as Java in Indonesia, parts of northern Borneo and the southern Philippines. But what about Sri Lanka? Isn't it is also caused by the same reason that caused the floods in the three regions; West Malaysia, Southern Thailand and parts of Sumatra? This is quite confusing now and I think you may help on this topic as you know more about meteorology. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 01:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The article mentions of a "southeast monsoon". AFAIK, there is no "southeast monsoon". There's a northeast and southwest monsoon. Either way, either monsoon is a different weather system from the typhoon. –HTD 02:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

consulting sources

§ Southeast Asia | Indonesia was garbled, contradictory, and ungrammatical, evidently due to non-native and/or machine translation.

I'm working now to clean it up,* consulting the references and using Google Translate to get the gist. --Thnidu (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

* Cleaned it up, though roughly, and did some similar work and a little copyediting in other subsections of § Southeast Asia. To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)