Talk:2017 Constituent National Assembly of Venezuela

Graphic showing international support is incorrect

Mexico, as well as a majority of countries support the Maduro government. This is not shown in the graphic which divides the world along political lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commuted (talk • contribs) 04:32, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Commuted: This is because the graphic shows the support back in the Assembly's elections, not the current one. --Jamez42 (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 2 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved DrStrauss talk 20:52, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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• 2017 Constitutional Assembly of Venezuela → 2017 Constituent Assembly of Venezuela
• Venezuelan Constitutional Assembly election, 2017 → Venezuelan Constituent Assembly election, 2017
• Venezuelan Constitutional Assembly election, 1999 → Venezuelan Constituent Assembly election, 1999
• Venezuelan Constitutional Assembly election, 1952 → Venezuelan Constituent Assembly election, 1952
• Venezuelan Constitutional Assembly election, 1946 → Venezuelan Constituent Assembly election, 1946

– The common name for this type of a body is "constituent assembly". The Spanish term is constituyente, not constitucional. Moreover, news sources prefer "constituent", as in this example from the Washington Post. I tried Google News, Books and Scholar searches and all turned up more results for "constituent assembly" in connection with Venezuela in each of the years. Srnec (talk) 02:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

• Agree – This was the original name of the article and was later changed. I never saw many sources stating "constitutional", but even according to the US sanctions, they officially call it a "constituent assembly".--ZiaLater (talk) 03:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

(Edit): Only agreeing with the 2017 assembly and election--ZiaLater (talk) 04:20, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Why only for 2017 ? --Panam2014 (talk) 10:26, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You are right. The other Spanish articles state that other "constituent" assemblies had occurred to. IT would be best if all articles were moved.--ZiaLater (talk) 06:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

• oppose I prefer 2017 National Constituent Assembly of Venezuela. --Panam2014 (talk) 10:25, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

• Agree - This should say Constituent Assembly, in line with the majority of English-language news sources and the Venezuelan government itself. — Zcbeaton (talk) 12:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Your opinion Jamez42?--ZiaLater (talk) 06:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

• Agree: Per Srnec, yes please. I should note that it was argued in the talk page that it is a constitutional assembly because it "has legislative powers", "elected specifically to draw up a constitution" and "coexists with a legislature". The 1999 Assembly had incredible power besides rewriting the constitution: it suspended all the sessions of the former Congress a month after being elected and dissolved it four months later; it also intervened the judiciary branch and developed a reform that whose effects have endured until now. Because of these reasons, I think it's also misleading to keep the title as "Constitutional"; Constituent fits the description just fine, both in the news sources and the 1999 constitution alike.--Jamez42 (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
• Support. "Constituent assembly" is what the sources call them, so we should follow their lead rather than arbitrarily renaming things to our own original research alternatives. Bearcat (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
•  Comment: "Constitutional assembly" implies that it is a congress or assembly that only drafts and enacts a constitution, while a "constituent assembly" implies that a congress or assembly has the power to constitute or establish anything in a state being its main duty is to draft a constitution but having the power to legislate and govern as well, if necessary. Given that today in its first session the Assembly dismissed the General Attorney in a procedure initiated by the Judiciary, in which the Legislative is required to vote a dismissal, this Assembly has made use of legislative powers meaning that it is more a "constituent" rather than a "constitutional" assembly. Also, "Constituent" is the literal and direct translation of "Constituyente," the name used in Spanish.
• Agree, but would prefer National Constituent Assembly. The official name is "Asamblea Nacional Constituyente". This is a proper name, so the only valid choices are to use the original (possibly transliterated) foreign name (e.g. Knesset) or a direct translation. Making up our own name is not a valid option. Since there is a clear direct translation (National Constituent Assembly), that is clearly the better option (as stated, "constituyente" translates as constituent). I reviewed this more carefully for 2017, but the same general idea (direct translations) should apply for all of them. Also, both "National Constituent Assembly" and "Constituent Assembly" are being used in reliable English sources, so this is consistent with verifiability. Mattflaschen - Talk 03:12, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

 Two minutes before creating this article, Panam2014 renamed "1999 Constituent Assembly of Venezuela" to "1999 Constitutional Assembly of Venezuela." No explanation was given.

I'll be moving the article seems the consensus seems to agree with the change and that the article was nominated in the INT --Jamez42 (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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Party affiliation of members

Would like comments on this. Share comments here as well.--ZiaLater (talk) 21:02, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Not all are members of the Government

As the election system wasn't a party system, but a section system, the candidates were not "candidates of the Government", but candidates of their respective section. -Theklan (talk) 22:27, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

All of ANC is PSUV?

I think all of them are PSUV. See here. Is this right?--ZiaLater (talk) 02:36, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@ZiaLater: There are several members of the ANC that don't have prior political experience or aren't in a political party, particularly those from popular sectors like fishermen, peasants and workers. A parliamentarian announced few days ago that colectivos were denouncing fraud in the election and asking for the votes of their candidates.[1] I looked up if it was a requisite to be in a political party, but it seems not to be the case.[2] I think there are members that are from parties of the Great Patriotic Pole but not the PSUV, like the Communist Party or Patria Para Todos (Fatherland for All); regardless, even if there are independent candidates, since the opposition boycotted the election all of the current ANC is pro-government.--Jamez42 (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jamez42: Would it be more accurate to describe them as GPP instead of PSUV then?--ZiaLater (talk) 14:55, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@ZiaLater: I'd suggest to describe them as pro government since many of them aren't in the GPP. I can look up for some examples as well as notable members that aren't from the PSUV.--Jamez42 (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

186.6.40.140 Update: I'll be pasting the discussion in the talk page for reference regarding the affiliation of the candidates. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Location

Can all 545 of them really fit in that one room? 67.245.222.116 (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Plenty of national legislatures, such as the House of Lords in Britain, actually have less physical seats than members...so it wouldn't surprise me if they had some sort of complicated arrangement, yeah. Nuke (talk) 15:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Acceso a la Justicia

La fraudulenta ANC no tiene horario ni fecha en el calendario --Jamez42 (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2019 (UTC)