Talk:2017 Euro Winners Cup
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Latest comment: 7 years ago by Amakuru in topic Requested move 27 May 2017
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Requested move 27 May 2017
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The result of the move request was: Moved. There seems to be enough evidence that "Men's" is almost never included in the name, and furthermore, that wasn't included in the name until April anyway, so the Men-less version is sort of the default. — Amakuru (talk) 11:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
- 2017 Men's Euro Winners Cup → 2017 Euro Winners Cup
- 2016 Men's Euro Winners Cup → 2016 Euro Winners Cup
- Men's Euro Winners Cup → Euro Winners Cup
– The offical name of the tournament is Euro Winners Cup, without "Men's". [1] 185.59.158.22 (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Opose-Since 2016 there is 2 competitions: one for men and other for women.Rpo.castro (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2017 (UTC)- Changing my position to Support the move.Rpo.castro (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support – Yes there are two competitions but Beach Soccer Worldwide, who organise the competitions, specifically refer to the men's tournament as just "Euro Winners Cup" whilst call the women's event "Women's Euro Winners Cup" as can be seen on their website [2] (simiarly to how FIFA calls the men's World Cup simply the "FIFA World Cup" without mention of gender, and the women's edition "FIFA Women's World Cup"). The articles should be renamed to reflect the real names as set by the organisers. TurboGUY (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. The official names of the tournaments are not particularly relevant. Andrewa (talk) 09:40, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
- In that case why don't we rename the FIFA World Cup to the FIFA Men's World Cup? The Rugby World Cup to the Men's Rugby World Cup? The FIBA Basketball World Cup to the FIBA Men's Basketball World Cup and so on?? These are not rhetorical questions, please provide reasons why it is acceptable for "Men's" in this article's title but not the aforementioned. This page was originally called the Euro Winners Cup (as it is known by the organisers, players, fans, on social media etc.). The above user who commented, Rpo.castro, (I believe in good faith) has moved the page wrongly. Like I say, if the FIFA World Cup was moved to FIFA Men's World Cup, this would never stand and would be reversed. The same principles should apply here. I find it pretty absurd to call these pages by a name that absolutely no-one uses – I can provide evidence of the scarcity of referring to the competition with "Men's" in the title and the universal use of simply "Euro Winners Cup" if you'd like. TurboGUY (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
- Absolutely agree with TurboGUY. I wanted to write the same arguments. 185.59.158.22 (talk) 21:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
- Agree that it is pretty absurd to call these pages by a name that absolutely no-one uses. Glad you can provide evidence of the scarcity of referring to the competition with "Men's" in the title and the universal use of simply "Euro Winners Cup". Please do so. Andrewa (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
- My first port of call with this is social media results. On Instagram, the hashtag "eurowinnerscup" brings up 2,026 results [3]. But "menseurowinnerscup" returns 0 results [4]. On twitter, searching for "Euro Winners Cup" brings up thousands of tweets (no specific number unfortunately) [5]. However searching for "Men's Euro Winners Cup" returns 0 results [6]. If conducting a Google search, "Euro Winners Cup" and "beach soccer" brings up 92,500 results [7] however searching for "Men's Euro Winners Cup" and "beach soccer" returns just 272 results [8]. On Facebook, "Euro Winners Cup" search returns thousands of posts [9] but "Men's Euro Winners Cup" (other than a couple of links to these Wikipedia articles) only brings up a few posts to a photo album from 1 sole user [10]. Finally for video results on YouTube, the term "Euro Winners Cup" returns 2,540 videos [11]. On the other hand "Men's Euro Winners Cup" returns just 17 results [12]. As you can see, the use of just "Euro Winners Cup" heavily outweighs the use of Men's in the title as I suggested in my last post. I'll provide further evidence for and against if you wish. TurboGUY (talk) 01:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
- In that case why don't we rename the FIFA World Cup to the FIFA Men's World Cup? The Rugby World Cup to the Men's Rugby World Cup? The FIBA Basketball World Cup to the FIBA Men's Basketball World Cup and so on?? These are not rhetorical questions, please provide reasons why it is acceptable for "Men's" in this article's title but not the aforementioned. This page was originally called the Euro Winners Cup (as it is known by the organisers, players, fans, on social media etc.). The above user who commented, Rpo.castro, (I believe in good faith) has moved the page wrongly. Like I say, if the FIFA World Cup was moved to FIFA Men's World Cup, this would never stand and would be reversed. The same principles should apply here. I find it pretty absurd to call these pages by a name that absolutely no-one uses – I can provide evidence of the scarcity of referring to the competition with "Men's" in the title and the universal use of simply "Euro Winners Cup" if you'd like. TurboGUY (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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