Talk:2018 Malaysian general election

Pakatan Harapan's color

So, are we using red, orange or a light shade of blue?--Aréat (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Aréat: As the coalition has recently been recognised, the Pakatan Harapan use #C63B38 colour pattern. Molecule Extraction (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

RfC about the colour used during the election

I'm asking this on behalf of the user who asking me in my talkpage regarding the colour that was used by the Pakatan Harapan (PH) coalition in the recent election. While it is acknowledged that the red colour (#C63B38 colour pattern) has been part of the colour symbol of PH coalition, the coalition was recently legalised when they won the 9 May election with the colour began to be used officially. During the election, each parties in the coalition contesting using the flag of People's Justice Party (PKR) with blue colour (#00ADEF colour pattern) for West Malaysia, while in East Malaysia each parties are free to use their respective flags with their own party colours. Both BrundtBank and Lazybugger13A agreed that the main colour that should be used for the entire election articles for consistency are the red one while *angys* disagreed with the decision as during the election, the coalition was not legalised yet with the parties in West Malaysia contesting under the PKR banner with the blue colour pattern. Due to this endless dispute, I'm inviting other editors especially those who spend their entire time here editing political related articles to find a final consensus on this issue. Regards. Molecule Extraction (talk) 03:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

• I think I already said, PH (2018) is for PKR flag and that time still not use PH flag. Same as MCA we should use a new colour and not BN colour in the upcoming by-election. angys (Talk Talk) 06:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

This has been argued ad nauseam. Pakatan Harapan has already been registered and recognised by the Registrar of Societies. If the parties wish to contest the by-elections or any future by-elections with their own logo, that is their prerogative. But they are already a member of that coalition. It doesn't matter if DAP contests the elections under their own logo or PKR contests it under their own logo, as they are officially part of Pakatan Harapan. The word is OFFICIAL. For the upcoming by-elections like in Balakong which is likely to be contested by MCA or DAP, we are going to stick with Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Harapan colours. Simply put both parties have not left their respective coalitions. MCA is still part of BN and DAP is still part if PH. Lazybugger13A (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the point is about what flag are they actually using in the election. You know, that PH at the general election at that time used PKR flag but now they get their flag, so yeah, leave it as it is. Do not change unless the SPR changes it at the election page. Many thanks. Consistency is not to be gamed on. If one can point out that the flag printed on the polling cards at the General Election 2018 is the PH red flag, then please give references to where it happened.--1233^Talk 14:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Another note for that, we are getting press releases from the MCA that they are going to Use their own flag instead of the BN flag, and at that case, we need to use their color but not the BN colour. Please don't force our consensus. This shouldn't be the case when you need a broader input. What I am seeing here is that one should stick to the colour of/flag that is printed at the ballot paper at the SPR - not the one that is used for campaigning.--1233^Talk 14:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

About the manual of style at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Historical_considerations, we consider what flag they were using at that time at the election but not the active flag that was used by the same / continuing organization. Please do not force through any guidelines before a broad consensus is constructed.--1233^Talk 14:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

*angys* already agreed that he would leave this matter alone and we continue to use the coalition colours in the past discussion. During the general election they used the PKR flag logo during the campaigning. That was agreed upon by all parties in Pakatan Harapan. They chose that option as the ROS did not recognised Pakatan Harapan as a coalition. It is only that PH was recognised by the ROS after the General election was over. MCA has not officially left Barisan Nasional, same with DAP not leaving PH. The colours of the coalition will remain as part of the by-election articles. This is not forcing through any guidelines and I find that assertion disingenuous.Lazybugger13A (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it hard to use things that are printed on the ballot paper? What angys means is that the colours should be used as the logos that are printed inside the ballot paper : if the MCA uses the BN logo at election, definitely use the BN colour, but if this is not the case, then use the colour of the flag of the MCA. We follow history: if the PH uses PKR logo at the general election, follow the colour, it is history. If MCA chooses to use their own logo to participate in the by-election, I did not see any reason of not having them to use the MCA colour (though I think it is not that much difference than the BN logo). The Manual of Style has documented us to use history: even though they changed colour after the election, it should remain as it is their historical campaigning logo.--1233^Talk 16:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I have discussed this in the past discussions going way back to 2008. (Yes, I am really that old) The use of the individual parties own logos for campaigning purposes does not have any bearing on the change of the coalition colour templates in the newer or future election article results tables, etc. The parties mentioned before are officially part of their respective coalitions. Until they have left the coalition then I don't see any problem with using colours that conform to their own party flags or logo colours. Pakatan Harapan and Barisan Nasional colour templates are here to stay.Lazybugger13A (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

This is the timeline that I get:

1. The Coalition was formed
2. They used PKR logo for campaigning and the logo was printed on the ballot paper at the May 2018 election as the coalition was not officially registered
3. May election took place
4. PH won the election
5. Then they get their formal recognition by the ROS
6. Then the first by-election took place
7. The PH still use PKR logo at that time for the ballot paper and that the UMNO uses BN logo (or flag)

So, this is what I get: Election boxes should use what they are using at that time (if they use PH red logo at that time.) No one is replacing any logo, but this conforms to using historical logos and this isn't anything that violates consistency.
At the same time, however, in the parliament, red shall be used as it is common sense. No one is attempting to change the coalition colour templates in the newer or future election article results tables. What in here actually means the following: The article results tables shall use what is printed on the ballot paper: if they are using Star Wars logo (though not possible for them), then just do it. Use black / yellow to represent even they changed the logo afterwards. We need to know that the MCA chooses not to use BN logo for the ballot paper in the next by-election. Same, if the DAP did not use the PH logo for the ballot paper, then use the DAP red instead of the PH red. It is simple as that. For the past elections, we need to know what logos / flags are printed on the ballot paper at that time to achieve the highest consistency in between articles.--1233^Talk 02:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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