Talk:2019–2020 Iranian protests

Photos for casualities

Hey @Vanamonde93:, I inserted an image which was removed only because the removing editor fails to find a photo balancing the one I inserted. You can also see this edit with its weird edit summary. Should we censor the photo? --Mhhossein ^talk 14:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Majority of the dead/injured are the protesters/civilians and yet you put a picture of a IRI policemen (you have been reported and warned for pro-IRI edits in the past, curious [1]). Also, please try to keep a nice tone here, I don't find my edit summary "weird" at all. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

So you need to present a free photo of those "dead/injured are the protesters/civilians", instead of edit warring here. Also, please stop your battle ground language; You were blocked multiple times for multiple reasons among them making anti-IRI edits. So what? Your edit summary reads quite weird, we don't censor things simply because you do bother to find a photo suitable for the section. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:48, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

You say as if it's quite easy to find a photo like that - If so, then be my guest (trust me I would have deffo added one by now if I could). I'm not speaking battleground language either, I'm just noting other editors what's really going on. Yes, I've been blocked multiple times, but I'm also one of the largest contributors to this site by a mile (see the pattern ;)?). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Images have somewhat less clear guidelines than most other content on Wikipedia, and therefore are left up to editorial judgement to a greater extent. This is essentially a content dispute, on which I am not going to comment beyond saying that both your positions are compatible with policy. Coming to a consensus here is your business; and if you can't come to an agreement, an RfC would be appropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Protests as ongoing past 20 November

To whoever made this change, you are required by Wikipedia rules, WP:OR specifically to add every material with a reference. There have not been any reports of protests past 20 Nov and Iran announced protests to have ended on this date. Any further changes back to ongoing without reference will be reverted without discussion now that the notice is made. KasimMejia (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Touching up

This article needs to be cleaned up: specifically, the casualty count should include a lower bound in the infobox from HRW and AI, not only 1500 (this seems to be echoing US propaganda). Also the wording, even if it's going to be an extremely pro-protest POV, needs to be rewritten. Right now it seems like it's written by someone who doesn't write English that well. Plus, there are some spacing issues with the text that can be fixed. 98.221.136.220 (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

More protests

Could someone possibly add this somewhere? [2]. Don't have the time to do it meself atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Maybe a better source than Radio Farda would be better. This article depends on it too much. 98.221.136.220 (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Coming from the same IP who has disrupted this article and tried to minimize the extent of the protests by removing sourced information. Maybe the opinion of another user would be better. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

And coming from a POV-pushing, biased contributor who gave no reason why the protests were ongoing after weeks of no reports from it (at the time), maybe your opinion is irrelevant. Anyways, instead of Farda, there is a similar Reuters source, which is less propaganda-ish. Use that one, it's better.98.221.136.220 (talk) 00:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

The source you (disruptively) removed literally stated so, I only restored it. So who's the real "POV-pushing biased contributor" here? --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:He's right, the article is incredibly biased and is fishing for things which aid a certain agenda. I'm appalled at the state of this article, it's horrendous and terribly written. On top of that, the sources are despicable. All of them come from outlets that are affiliated with anti-Iranian entities and states, their reliability and credibility on these matters is absolutely 0 and shouldn't be given such a pedestal and attention as this article has given. I just had to remove Qasem Soleimani from the list of "lead figures", that just shows the complete bias of this article to include a man apart of an organization that has absolutely no involvement in domestic affairs. However, the irony is that there's many that wish to smear his legacy and reputation and that's why he's included in the "lead figures" and this is complete fake news and propaganda. I support the position of the other user as opposed to yours. This horrendous article and it's despicable sources need to be cleaned up. KhakePakeVatan (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ヅ♥please mention all the dates of Internet shutdown in Iran⚫

➤❶In this article, please mention all the dates of Internet disconnection in Iran.⊘⊘⊘✭✒✎★⊘⊘⊘ Internet disconnection in Iran is not only for year 2019 During all protests,☮☮☮▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒☮☮☮ the Iranian government and the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Sepah) cut off the Internet.⚫⚫⚫ヅ--Worrywolf (talk) 09:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Why are all of the deathtolls "US confirmed"?

United States government is not exactly a trustworthy source for deathtolls in a protest inside iran. Maybe use Amnesty international number which was considerably lower? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.75.143 (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Amnesty barely bothers with the protests and has outdated information. Besides, what sources are we else to use? The ones in the Islamic Republic of Iran? --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

According to this user, AI is unreliable??? You are minimizing it because you disagree with its conclusions, really. AI is better than Radio Farda, which this user loves for some (biased) reason and is actual US-gov funded propaganda broadcasted into Iran. This article should have AI and Radio Farda in the infobox, honestly. That at least is NPOV. 98.221.136.220 (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I never said that Amnesty is unreliable. Read my comment again instead of making stuff up. Also, keep your personal attacks for yourself, or you will be reported. You don't get to decide what is reliable/unreliable/biased. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Then why not include it in the infobox? Do you have any proof that AI is using deflated numbers? There is a disparity, and like other articles, there should at least be a range of losses. AI sources - Farda sources. My take on it.98.221.136.220 (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

You are asking me as if I removed it. I assume it was removed because as I said: it is outdated [3], they reported it midst the early stages of the protests. Not to mention that it is a bit problematic to find out the precise estimate of deaths when the government attempts to hide the corpses, which is mentioned in the article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

And are you assuming that AI made no effort to account for the Iranian coverup? And from what I've read, the killings roughly ended when the Iranian gov said the protests ended, which is around when AI released its report (correct me if I'm wrong). IMO there should be a range. Your decision anyways. 98.221.136.220 (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

1500 is not the US death count however it was later confirmed by US officials. This casualty comes from Iranian government officials and was verified across multiples media outlets as the final casualty count. Therefore it should be kept. --lightofIran (talk) 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:@LightofIran: Radio Farda is completely unreliable and biased. It is a propaganda outlet, that is well known. The entire backbone of this article is from Radio Farda. Further, this "1500" number, it's important to look at where this number originated from and who disseminated it further. It's from the MEK and was disseminated by other anti-Iranian entities and governments. It is just as unreliable as anything against it. KhakePakeVatan (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Umbrella article

Iran has been experiencing a largely uninterrupted protest wave since 2017 (see 2017–18 Iranian protests, 2018 Dervish protests, 2018 Iranian university protests, 2018 Iranian water protests, 2018 Khuzestan protests, 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests, 2019 Sistan and Baluchestan protests). I think an umbrella protest article along the lines of the one for Venezuelan protests is necessary. It would certainly make all this easier to navigate. Charles Essie (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. HistoryofIran (talk)

Yet because protests was uninterrupted since 2017 for me is more necessary to create template Campaign box for all protests that began in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.168.126 (talk) 06:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

The protest go back as far as 2016 from the Cyrus the Great Day Protests https://observers.france24.com/en/20161103-iran-cyrus-king-regime-protest. I will be making a page for those protests as well. LightofIran —Preceding undated comment added 05:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Would you support an umbrella article? Charles Essie (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

For navigation, an easier fix would be to just add previous/next navigation to the existing articles. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

That doesn't acknowledge the common narrative of the protests. Charles Essie (talk) 01:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

That is true. It would be helpful to look at specific sources you have in mind that don't fit into an existing article, and need an umbrella article. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Mahshahr killings into 2019–20 Iranian protests. I think that the content in the Mahshahr killings article can easily be explained in the context of 2019–20 Iranian protests, and the 2019–20 Iranian protests article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Mahshahr killings will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. In addition, the Background section of Mahshahr killings includes duplicated material which was mentioned in 2019–20 Iranian protests. These two articles have a large overlap. Saff V. (talk) 10:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: the 2019–20 Iranian protests article is currently about 125 kb in wiki source and is unlikely to be shortened, so a merge would be unjustified under WP:SPLIT; the massacre is not just "a reaction" or an incident in a timeline, its closest analogue seems to be the August 2013 Rabaa massacre HRW. Boud (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Two separate articles are necessary about these two issues. ‍‍Telluride (talk) 06:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Boud. Also, the issue is individually significant enough to have its separate article. MS 会話 19:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Boud, Telluride and Ms96. Nika2020 (talk) 18:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Two articles are necessary. The massacre needs it’s own separate page, as it was a significant incident. Anasaitis (talk) 21:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Should be renamed to November 2019 Iranian protests

The January 2020 protests are generally characterized as a separate protest from the November 2019 protests. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Result in the infobox

At the present time (August 2020) I do not see that it is sensible to have a result in the infobox. It is far too soon. It did say N.A. [not applicable] and return to status quo, which is illogical - either it is not applicable to say what the result is, or the result is a return to the status quo.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The 1,500 number has literally 0 evidence behind it

The 1,500 claim is quite obvious bs, it has no evidence to support it Hibsiwakawam (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

It has sources 3000MAX (talk) 07:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

"Opposition to Anti-Americanism in Iran"

"Opposition to Anti-Americanism in Iran" is listed as one of the causes in the infobox, but this isn't exactly supported by the article or other sources, which mostly cite economic and material hardships +exclusively, specifically triggered by fuel prices. The Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 protests are more linked to that, but they took place after and had a separate cause to the suppressed November protests which are the main focus of this article. Totalibe (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)