Talk:2020 Reading stabbings
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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Mmslynceaie in topic "It was later confirmed that Saadallah faked a mental illness, and was acting in pursuit of his extremist ideology."
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Request for revert reason
editMoved here from my talkpage. -- DeFacto (talk). 22:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello De Facto, Please could you tell me why you reverted my edit of the Casualties section of the 2020 Forbury Gardens Stabbings article, in which I stated that the victims were gay/homosexual, and gave a source reference? This is important information which people have a right to know. Thank you.Cjcooper (talk) 22:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Cjcooper: my reason is in my edit summary: "unexplained - why?". Why should that be added, especially as the main body of reliable sources do not mention it. See WP:DUE. -- DeFacto (talk). 22:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- The victims' sexuality is no more a factor in their death than their hair colour. You do not demonstrate why it is "important" to include. Such an inclusion could be construed as victim blaming. WWGB (talk) 05:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the best course is. But the WWGB argument is quite silly. Hair colour of the victims is not mentioned in articles. So the analogy fails completely. 2604:2000:E010:1100:3CB1:2CAD:16BF:6112 (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- I think it should be mentioned. --TrottieTrue (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the best course is. But the WWGB argument is quite silly. Hair colour of the victims is not mentioned in articles. So the analogy fails completely. 2604:2000:E010:1100:3CB1:2CAD:16BF:6112 (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Question about category removal
editMoved here from my talkpge. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I want you [DeFacto] to explain to me why you deleted this category
- Category: 2020 murders in the United Kingdom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cerberon-900 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Cerberon-900: I explained it in my edit summary: "not supported in the article". Per WP:CATVER, categorisation must be verifiable, and as the article doesn't provide that verification (probably because the suspect hasn't yet been tried for murder), then that category should not be used. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Attacker pleads guilty (11 November)
editBBC reporting that the attacker has pleaded guilty to three murders. Presumably this could/should now be incorporated into the article? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
- It has been done, then I updated the lead and added the new categories. Surely now this man has admitted to three murders, he can be named on this page. I've just obeyed the notices to play it safe Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
- Absolutely, he can be named. No walking on eggshells any longer. WWGB (talk) 02:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
"It was later confirmed that Saadallah faked a mental illness, and was acting in pursuit of his extremist ideology."
editThe two sources given here do not say that the attacker "faked a mental illness", just that the judge said he played up mental illness while being questioned by police (the judge is not a mental health professional). The attacker here was under the care of multiple mental health services - he was certifiably mentally ill, this was simply not judged to have played a major role in these attacks. This part of the article is therefore very poorly phrased - OK to remove or is there a better way to phrase this?