Talk:2020 Washington Democratic presidential primary

Requested move 18 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 16:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Washington Democratic primary → 2020 Washington presidential primary – In this name change, I'm expressing two disagreements with the original name of the article. First, the March 10, 2020 presidential primary is for both major parties, although the Republicans have only one candidate running. Second, the article name needs to be specific that this is a presidential primary. There is another primary in Washington in August 2020 for down ballot races. Dash77 (talk) 04:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose suggested title: For consistency, will only support either 2020 Washington Democratic presidential primary (like 2020 Minnesota Democratic presidential primary) or keep the current title with "Democratic" in the name. The article currently only lists the Democratic party race. There is already a summary style article, 2020 United States presidential election in Washington (state), that will in time be built like 2016 United States presidential election in Washington (state)#Primary elections. And thus usually, as in 2016, there also will be separate detailed articles for the Democratic party races and the Republican party races (see for examples the articles in Category:2016 United States Democratic presidential primaries by state and Category:2016 United States Democratic presidential primaries by state). Since there is an incumbent president running in 2020 and as long as there is not really enough content to warrant a separate article on the Republican race, it should be similar in 2012 when Obama was the only Democratic candidate running and thus the Washington Democratic race page was turned into a redirect.

To summarize how these presidential election articles are usually organized:

• We have separate articles summarizing the U.S. presidential election in each state, summarizing all of its primary races and its general election, see Category:2020 United States presidential election by state and the subcategories of Category:United States presidential elections by year and state
  • 2020 United States presidential election in Washington (state) will eventually have a section like 2016 United States presidential election in Washington (state)#Primary elections that summarizes all the presidential primary races in Washington state, including any third parties.
• We have separate articles solely on the Democratic party races, see the subcategories of Category:Democratic Party (United States) presidential primaries by state
  • This article being discussed here will be similar 2016 Washington Democratic caucuses (Washington Democrats used presidential caucuses instead of primary in 2016), only listing the Democratic party race.
• We have separate pages solely on the Republican party races, see the subcategories of Category:Republican Party (United States) presidential primaries by state
  • In normally cases, there would have been a separate 2020 article on the Republican race similar to the 2016 one, but since we have an incumbent president running for reelection unopposed in the primary like Obama in 2012, there would be a redirect like Washington Democratic caucuses, 2012 if there is no content to warrant a separate article.
• If there were a 2020 Washington primary page created without any political party specified, it would eventually be a redirect to 2020 Washington elections. Because Washington uses the nonpartisan blanket primary system in its state and local races where all candidates run in the primary regardless of party, and the top two winners move on to the general election, the primary and general election tables are combined like on 2016 Washington elections#Statewide.

So for consistency with all these other articles, the articles title should still have "Democratic" in its name (like 2020 Minnesota Democratic presidential primary), and only have content about the Democratic party race. And any page titled "2020 Washington presidential primary" should redirect to an eventual 2020 United States presidential election in Washington (state)#Primary elections. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose any move. The current title is consistent with all others in Category:2020 United States Democratic presidential primaries by state, and also equivalent pages going back through the years. We don't combine Republican and Democrat primaries on to one page. Also, I don't see a need to add "presidential" to the title. This is already WP:PRECISE enough and also more WP:CONCISE, because the "down ballot" primaries per state aren't don't have articles, and again, almost no other page in the extensive category tree has this qualifier. (Minnesota was boldly moved a couple of weeks ago without a discussion, so I've reverted that).  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Polling numbers

There's been vandalism - look at Gabbard polling numbers on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byelf2007 (talk • contribs) 21:51, March 6, 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't vandalism, but an error while removing a withdrawn candidate from the table. It has since been resolved. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 22:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

win

Much of the discussion seems to be on who wins the primary. But it isn't winner take all, so if it is close to a tie, then delegates will be assigned close to equally. Should the article mention this? Gah4 (talk) 19:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

vote by mail

While Washington is a vote by mail state, at least in King county, maybe other counties, there are drop boxes. Also, for people who need it, there are in person voting sites, where I suspect that you fill out the same ballot, and drop it in a drop box. The drop boxes avoid postal delay, though they might not get counted until the next day. Gah4 (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Delegate Count

I saw 2 issues and only fixed one.

• The latest delegate counts were from an unofficial website with a disclaimer stating the numbers were combination of actual and estimates. I reverted the numbers to the last known delegate count, which was the same accross numper of reputed sites (NPR, AP).
  
• There are multiple references to pledged delegates being 107. That is not correct. The total number of delegates is 107, but the number of pledged delegates is 89.

-- Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy8Kahn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done I fixed the numbers and added a source to the lede. Michelangelo1992 (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Washington called for Biden?

The current text of the lede claims that a majority of news outlets have not yet called the Washington primary, but provides no reference to a reliable source claiming that, or indeed any outlets that haven't called it.

Meanwhile, the AP, which is generally fairly conservative about calling races, has now joined other outlets in calling Washington for Biden.

Does anyone have any sources at all that haven't called the race to substantiate the claim that a majority of outlets haven't called it?Gambling8nt (talk) 02:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

All the major outlets (most importantly, the Associated Press) have called it. Smith0124 (talk) 20:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Map?

Someone needs to add the result map to the infobox. I'm not experienced enough to do it. Smith0124 (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Rfc notice

Editors of this page are encouraged to participate in an Rfc on Talk:2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries pertaining to the infobox of this page and all state by state primary pages. The Rfc is about candidates who have withdrawn. Smith0124 (talk) 00:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)