Talk:Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present)

Overall source

I bumped into that source but cannot integrate it a the moment.

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/feb/06/ukrainians-endure-grim-winter-as-russia-destroys-infrastructure-in-maps
• https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/28/world/russia-ukraine-news#ukraine-claims-to-shoot-down-12-of-12-russian-drones-over-kyiv
• https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/world/europe/ukraine-war-infrastructure.html
• https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/world-bank-help-finance-ukrainian-energy-infrastructure-repairs-2023-04-12/ Yug (talk) 🐲

Another merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge 2 January 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine into this article for context and lack of independent notability; this had more support than the alternative proposal of a merge with 29 December 2023 Russian strikes on Ukraine. Klbrain (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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I can understand keeping the 29 December article as it was the biggest such attack so far in the war and it also caused a political crisis. But why do we now also have an article for 2 January 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine? We are almost two years into the war and over one year into these kinds of attacks and I see no reason now to start suddenly giving each attack its own individual article. The 2 January one did not break any records and its article is pretty short. We can easily merge it into Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present)#January 2024. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I would keep page 29 December 2023 Russian strikes on Ukraine for the time being, but merge 2 January 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine somewhere, possibly even to page 29 December 2023 Russian strikes on Ukraine which then should be renamed to something like "Happy New Year strikes" [1]. It seems they are going to conduct such strikes every week (a few days are needed to prepare the next strike). My very best wishes (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I would be okay with that outcome. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

thanks for continuing the discussion @Super Dromaeosaurus, @My very best wishes. i think there should be separate articles for such large attacks. at least a few things should be considered: if more people had been injured, we might not be having this discussion. 2 years into the full-scale invasion, it's very possible the number of human victims of airstrikes by russia in ukraine has decreased dramatically due to military aid that has much improved ukrainian air defense since february 22nd, 2022. also there have been plenty of articles on smaller single location airstrikes, so i recommend that we continue with separate articles on airstrikes of much larger magnitude.

more generally it seems there are a few different article scopes in time and space documenting airstrikes during the Russo-Ukrainian War:

• airstrikes on single locations lasting a short period
  • 30 December 2023 Belgorod shelling
  • Hroza missile attack
  • August 2023 Chernihiv missile strike
  • 2023 Kramatorsk restaurant missile strike
  • 2023 Dnipro residential building airstrike
  • et cetera (for numerous examples see especially the War crimes section of the Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine)
• airstrikes on multiple locations lasting a short period
  • 2 January 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine
  • 29 December 2023 Russian strikes on Ukraine
  • by this logic there should be articles written on other multiple location attacks, for example the 24 February 2022 Russian strikes on Ukraine that occurred across the country, including in Donetsk, Kyiv, Kharkiv, Luhansk, Odesa, and other regions (see the invasion timeline)
• airstrikes citywide since the full-scale invasion
  • Dnipro strikes (2022–present)
  • Ivano-Frankivsk strikes (2022–present)
  • Bombing of Kharkiv (2022–present)
  • et cetera (see the Military engagements section of the Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine)
• airstrikes on multiples locations since the full-scale invasion
  • Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present)

on the 2nd of january, 2024 there were around 99 missiles and 35 drones fielded by russia, and fortunately a relatively low number of people victimized because of better air defense. so i suggest we have articles for such large attacks. ~ Johnfreez (talk) 09:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The 2 January 2024 attack does not have any distinctive feature separating it from the other dozens of attack waves that Russia has launched since October 2022, unlike the 29 December 2023 one. Its article remains short. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I tend to agree with @Super Dromaeosaurus that, while the 29 December one makes sense, the 2 January article should probably be folded into the parent article. Arcendeight (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 17:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

support- I agree with main reason to merge. Wendylove (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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26 August 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine

This article should be merged here as a paragraph would cover in prose the strikes that took place. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As the lede of the article states, this is the largest airstrike carried out against Ukraine in the war so far, so this deserves a standalone article. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Far too large of a strike. A standalone article makes sense. Thriley (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Support It seems to be similar to previous strikes and the article has too much detail which can be summarized over time. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Second para of lead needs rewrite I think

I think it is too detailed for the lead Chidgk1 (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I think we can copy from this

https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/cec49dc2-7d04-442f-92aa-54c18e6f51d6/UkrainesEnergySecurityandtheComingWinter.pdf I see at end is CC BY 4.0 Chidgk1 (talk) 18:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

ICBM launched at Ukraine

We should definitely add this here https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launches-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-attack-ukraine-kyiv-says-2024-11-21/ Jjbomb (talk) 09:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)