Talk:2024 Wellingborough by-election

Requested move 20 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Snow move. Pre-existing consensus for British recall petition articles is to move them to by-election titles where applicable, combining the petition and by-election into one article, so this discussion was not necessary. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC) Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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2023 Wellingborough recall petition → 2024 Wellingborough by-election – Move recall petition article to by-election article, as was done for 2019 Brecon and Radnorshire recall petition, 2019 Peterborough recall petition and 2023 Rutherglen and Hamilton West recall petition. This will require a technical move, as a separate by-election article has been created, so I thought it best to use the RM process in case anybody wants to dispute that there is consensus for moving recall articles to by-election articles.  M2Ys4U ^(talk) 05:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Bondegezou (talk) 08:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support, but would it be easier to just copy and paste this article over to the by-election one and then request speedy deletion on this one? i'm not familiar with wikipedia rules so please correct me if this is against rules. MJ9674 (talk) 10:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Doing that obscures the edit history, so it is better to do it this way. Bondegezou (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Understood. MJ9674 (talk) 11:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support, as this has happened previously. I Am Happy Being a Loner (talk) 10:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support As above doktorb _words^deeds doktorb _words^deeds 19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - an uncontroversial move that is in keeping with previous successful petitions. This should be speedily done. —LukeSurl ^t c 21:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - clear precedent, clear logic. OGBC1992 (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - An obvious move with previous president set. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 18:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - The two articles are clearly different in scope. A merge is probably warranted, but this is not the correct venue. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

What happens is the Recall petition article is put into the by-election article under the background section, as the by-election is the cause of the recall petition. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 11:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I meant, the the by-election is caused BY the Re-call petition. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 11:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

You're not wrong and I don't disagree with you. But this is a move discussion. Discussion to transfer some or all content between articles must be a merge discussion. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

It'll be a technical move. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 16:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I very well understand that, thank you. What I'm saying is the article about the by-election currently exists at the title 2024 Wellingborough by-election and the article about the recall petition exists at the title 2023 Wellingborough recall petition. What you're proposing is to have the article about the by-election be called 2023 Wellingborough recall petition and the article about the recall petition be called the 2024 Wellingborough by-election. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Then again, reading your above comments it appears as though you want these two articles to be made one article. I agree with that notion, but that cannot happen as a result of this discussion. That would require a merge discussion, which is different in scope and procedure than a move discussion. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Based on the support here, I think it will go through as a move. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 14:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Wikieditor019 WP:NOTAVOTE. It doesn't matter how many !support or !oppose !votes there are, they have to be backed in policy. I don't think the nominator understands what they've proposed. Move requests and merge requests are two different discussions with different scopes and different procedures. And if the nominator doesn't understand what they've proposed it makes it pretty difficult for any one to know what they're supporting. (courtesy pint to the nom @M2Ys4U to see if we can clear this up). estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I know. I mean president has been set as mentioned in the first post Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 17:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

At the time of the proposal, the by-election article was a small stub (the current lede + infobox) [1], I would've manually merged content from here to there but wanted to preserve the edit history of the more substantive article - hence the move. Either way, the eventual state of the wiki will be one article covering both aspects (the petition and the election), so if this needs to be a merge rather than a move then let's do that instead rather than letting process get in the way as this discussion hasn't (yet) thrown up any objections around having a singular article.  M2Ys4U ^(talk) 21:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - I know I opposed the Peterborough merge, but I see the precedence has been set that where a recall petition is successful, its merged into the by-election. And it makes sense. I see no issue with following that here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2024, not future

I’ve moved this back to “2024…” rather than “Future…”. The only year in the future this can happen is 2024.

This by-election may be superseded by a general election (as is true of any by-election), but we have reliable sources saying this election is expected to occur. The text can explain. I don’t think we need to complicate the title. Bondegezou (talk) 09:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree. LukeSurl ^t c 14:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the possibility of cancellation due to General Election, the 2017 Manchester Gorton by-election was so cancelled, but the article was retained under that title. LukeSurl ^t c 14:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

SOPN

We have the Statement of Persons Nominated published if anyone is feeling keen: https://www.northnorthants.gov.uk/elections-and-voting/upcoming-elections/wellingborough-parliamentary-election/statement-persons LukeSurl ^t c 19:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Luke. I've only got my phone, no laptop, so it was a struggle not to throw the thing out my window while trying to edit! Should be done now doktorb _words^deeds 19:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

You’re a braver editor than me doing all that on mobile! LukeSurl ^t c 20:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

This forthcoming payday I'm definitely looking at CEX, I can't do the general election sorely on mobile! (To give you a peak behind the curtain, I copied the results box for Newport West, another 11-candidate ballot, so at least I didn't have to add anything from scratch!) doktorb _words^deeds 21:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Poll to be considered

Hi all, some at Ireland Thinks have published a poll in Wellingborough (link). Because they are not a standard British pollster, and as there are missing details like the timeframe of the poll, I am unsure as to whether we should add it to the page. Any other thoughts would be appreciated. Quinby (talk) 00:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I think given that the actual result will be known in less than 24 hours and polls have already opened it’s not worth it. OGBC1992 (talk) 08:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The timing doesn't matter. Wikipedia writes for the long-term. If it's a valid poll, we should include it. It is, however, a slightly odd case as it's something of an experimental poll. We do use this pollster at Next Irish general election, so I think, on balance, yes, we should include this. Bondegezou (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)