Talk:Former Kmart headquarters

This page should not be speedy deleted because...

This page should not be speedily deleted because... or deleted at all, because The building has significant history in troy. the building used to employ thousands of people and all though it isn't currently being used, the use of the property is a major question for the city. Having this information is a good starting point for people interested in the building for its history, position now, and future use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbatts672 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 18 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Former Kmart headquarters. Consensus to move based on COMMONNAME and NATURAL arguments. No arguments opposing any move. (non-admin closure)  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 01:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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3100 W. Big Beaver Road → Kmart headquarters – WP:COMMONNAME, Most people refer this as "Kmart HQ" or a variation of that because it's well-known as Kmart's old headquarters. It is a well-known structure in Troy. GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 09:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• Former Kmart headquarters? Some of the sources seem to refer to it that way, and Kmart headquarters has been somewhere else since 2006. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

  Probably another alternative can be Kmart Headquarters (1969/1972-2005). GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's kind of ugly. The 1969/1972 is confusing, and the hyphen should be a dash. Kmart Headquarters (1972–2005) would be better (1972–2005 is the period during which it was the Kmart headquarters), but I like Former Kmart headquarters better. It's just more natural (and WP:NATURAL). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relist, to avoid a WP:NOGOODOPTIONS close BilledMammal (talk) 11:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• Former Kmart headquarters makes the most sense per accuracy and recognizability. Randy Kryn (talk) 08:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Kmart former headquarters is slightly better grammatically and for searching, but Former Kmart headquarters is also used and is better than the proposal, which is better than the street address of basically a vacant lot. Station1 (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  I would like Former Kmart headquarters better than Kmart former headquarters. GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 21:55, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Also, the word "former" applies to its relationship to Kmart as well as to its having been used as the company's headquarters. It's no longer a Kmart anything, so it's a former Kmart thing, not a Kmart former thing. If it was a person who formerly worked for the company, we would call that person a former Kmart employee, not a Kmart former employee. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's the [former headquarters] of the current [Kmart], not the current [headquarters] of the [Former Kmart]. But I fully recognize people also use the other formulation, and I don't think it matters much. Station1 (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Now I'm getting officially confused, but I think it's a place with [former] status as the [Kmart headquarters], and I'll stick with the employee example (assuming the person retired or became unemployed rather than died). But I'll admit I'm stretching the boundaries of my grammatical skills. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Me too. (Or is it "Me, too"?) I see your point and I'm fine with either one. I suppose the clearest would be "Former headquarters of Kmart" or "Kmart's former headquarters" but I'm not even going to mention those. Station1 (talk) 00:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  I am also creating a page on 3333 Beverly Road (Kmart's 2nd headquarters) but would it probably make sense to move that to Kmart headquarters instead? or Transformco headquarters considering Sears is also there? GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Searching up Kmart former employee on Google, extremely few sources use "Kmart former employee" and most use "Former Kmart employee" or a variation of that. GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  I tried the Google Ngram viewer with the names of several large companies. It found "Former XYZ employee" and did not find "XYZ former employee" for all of them. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.