Talk:4 (New York City Subway service)

New Lots Line transfers

Since my edits were reverted without reason (which I do not like), I will explain why I did them. Before, there were two sections for the New Lots Line service: one for late nights, the other for rush hours. The difference was: one section shows transfers during rush hours, the other section shows transfers during late nights–of which there is none. Since the two sections have been combined, I added "Rush hour transfers:" to show that the transfers are only when the 4 runs to New Lots Avenue at rush hours. (This rush hour service is unadvertised in the 4 schedule [1], that's another story.)

The rationale for having separate sections in the first place is to distinguish between day and night services. From Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/New York City Subway/Lines#Day/night variants:

“ Some of the templates have day/night variants. For instance: {{NYCS Broadway night}} displays as N and ​Q. The regular version, {{NYCS Broadway}} displays as N, ​Q, ​R, and ​W. This is because the R and W services do not operate on Broadway during late nights.

The day/night variants are used only in the service articles, in the following situations:

• If a service stops at a station only during the day, then the "Subway Transfers" column needs to exclude transfers that are available only at night

• If a service stops at a station only during late nights, then the "Subway Transfers" column needs to exclude services that operate only during the day

The day/night templates exist, in other words, for line segments where a late-night-only service has an intersection with a line that has a daytime-only service.

”

I did not know the above myself until I stumbled upon it now. I personally support consolidating the two sections, only if the reader would not be confused by the result. The "Rush hour transfers" is there to help the reader. Tinlinkin (talk) 11:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yankee Stadium services

In addition to regular local and express services, special express service to Manhattan is also provided after New York Yankees games weeknights and weekends, as well as after special events at Yankee Stadium: those trains start at 161st Street–Yankee Stadium and run express to Bowling Green. Do you have any clarification for that to be included? J4lambert (talk) 13:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

We only include normal daily trains that run on a specific schedule, not special trains running for only certain events. There are also special D trains for games and events at Yankee Stadium, but we do not include them, specifically because they don't have an assigned route, they can go to 2nd Avenue or take any line to get to Coney Island and I think the same applies to these special 4 trains. Though they usually terminate at Bowling Green, there is always a chance they will run local on Lexington Avenue or be extended into Brooklyn for whatever reason, so I don't think we should include this information.

But we do include the 7 super express after Mets games. 216.53.168.63 (talk) 02:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Service pattern

@Epicgenius: When you have a chance, can you fix the table in the 5 article and add Burnside express service and fix 138th Street skips here? I tried, but to no avail. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, do you mean like this? epicgenius (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Yes, thank you.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

ADA access

@Epicgenius: We should make clear that 86th Street is only accessible during late nights. How should we go about doing that? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, I think we are better off excluding it for now. I don't have any ideas yet. epicgenius (talk) 00:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, never mind. I found a solution, it is similar to how we treat Mets-Willets Point in the 7 train article. epicgenius (talk) 00:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

Let Me Edit 68.198.129.202 (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:33, 1 January 2022 (UTC)