Talk:ARCAspace

Odd outfit

First, this article reads like the company website.

Second, they do not seem to have succeeded at ... anything. Or at least there is lack of evidence.

Thing is, building a rocket is hard. Getting a new design for a rocket engine to work is hard. You build small versions first, and test. You build full-size versions, and test. Rocket engine tests make for dramatic photos and video ... which they entirely lack.

As far as I can tell, they build mockups.

I cannot tell is this outfit is an intentional fraud, or just some very woolly folk.

pbannister (talk) 23:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi @pbannester,

I agree with your assessment above. It's even more obvious when you look at the edit history for this page. It was created in 2004 by a user who disclosed that they were being paid by ARCA Space Corporation for their contributions to wikipedia: User:Dragos_muresan.

As you mentioned in the Help desk, I'm not sure what actions (that don't murder the article) would be best to fix this... ChunyangD (talk) 06:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The "outfit" is more comparable to Copenhagen Suborbitals than billionaire spacebaron companies (as an original X-Prize contestant it predates modern commercial Newspace).

Most of the other X-Prize contestants were similar semi-amateur projects, and achieved much less. ARCA at least had actual prototypes built and yes, suborbital test launches done.

For some reason ARCA seem to attract all kind of haters, when other similar underfunded projects efforts attract much less.

Why does an article about ARCA even mention dismissed charges against it's CEO. ? It is a borderline BLP violation. Helixdq (talk) 19:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Links

The images that are used for ARCA society english.wikipedia all articles are listed next:

No. crt	Name	registered domain	addresses list
1	Dem2b vehicle.jpg	ROU	Conrad Haas
2	Dem2 vehicle.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Dem2b_vehicle.jpg
3	Orizont vehicle.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Orizont vehicle.jpg
4	Stabilo1b.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Stabilo1b.jpg
5	Stabilo orbit mediu.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Stabilo orbit mediu.jpg
6	Haas.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Haas.jpg
7	ARCA-logo-300x177.jpg	ROU	Special:WhatLinksHere/File:ARCA-logo-300x177.jpg

Same info goes to all pictures' TalkPage

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Dumitru Popescu

Does someone with a little more writing flair care to add information to this page about Dumitru Popescu, president of ARCA, and perhaps create a page for him? Here's a short bio on him, and other members of the ARCA team, from the ARCA website. [1] --Vampus (talk) 08:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Roger that, say nobody is available right now . Roger Roger, please come back... clakc: Paul

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350.000mc

I see a few references to this, one with a citation needed flag after it too. Is it 350000 mistyped as 350,000 except with a decimal point instead of a comma? Because a 350cm balloon doesn't need accuracy to three decimal places! Also, why is the balloon a one dimensional figure? Shouldn't it be cm³? Also, 350 m³ would be the way to note it, whilst 350,000 sounds far more impressive. It's also not the largest balloon, perhaps 'of it's type,' and given that it takes 144000m³ to lift 3t with helium I strongly doubt that mystical sun warmed black magic measuring 411 times smaller will lift 23.3t of weight.

Surely these are errors? And if they are, they're a gross oversight as they are also reflected on several of this companies websites I have viewed it's specifications on. But we here at Wikipedia have a shrewd eye for detail and notice such atrocious number fudging! The only reason it's taken this long to be brought up is because every other Wikipedian was busy elsewhere, saving the world, and building nuclear reactors in their basement when not reviving dinosaurs by patching together millions of corrupted samples of DNA to bridge the gaps of destroyed parts! Right? >_> Right!

I'm not close to this article, in fact, I know jack about this stuff besides what I've seen in the last ten minutes. Thus I'm posting this here hoping a better person than I can make the required changes to fix this article up a bit with the specification changes required. If you're a corporate lurker for ARCA, perhaps you can clarify this weird numerical and decimal issue for us? As well as clarify a few other elements that--for the purpose of science--I have attributed to black magic. Thanks in advance. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 04:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Answer

As a fellow wikipedian and thus a fellow human seeking ever-expanding knowledge, I would think that it were obvious enough that Romania uses the dot (.) in lieu of the comma. Therefore:

350.000mc is Romanian (trei sute cinci zeci de mii de metri cubi) for 350,000m³ (three hundred and fifty thousand cubic meters)

I think it's fairly obvious the number is in Romanian format, and simply copy-pasted from the Romanian version of the ARCA Website.

I understand Romania is a backwater in science and technology, but,

Considering Herman Oberth, the father of Astronautics, came from here, Considering the jet engine and the first apparatus to fly by itself came from here, Considering our history,

Someone who knows a thing or two about space/astronautics, should, if not know these things, at least hint at the fact that the number format is not English/American/SI[IS]. Not to mention the same format is also used in France (virgule)

Thank you for your attention. 95.76.136.228 (talk) 19:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Popescu-Diaconu stabilization method

The "Popescu-Diaconu stabilization method" makes no physical sense and is nothing but a variation of an old misconception in rocketry.

Take two 1 kg masses with a 1 km tether, at 45 degrees to vertical...the angle that maximizes the restoring force from the gravitational gradient. Place the lower one at 0 altitude...maximizing the steepness of the gravitational gradient, which falls off with the cube of distance. The difference in gravitational force is 2.2 mN...that's millinewtons. The component of that force that pulls the tethered masses toward vertical is 1.5 mN.

With a total mass of 2 kg, a rocket just resisting the force of gravity is exerting a thrust of 19.6 N. If the engine thrust is more than 0.004 degrees off, the sideways thrust from the engine exceeds the maximum correcting force the gravity gradient can achieve. For all practical purposes, the rocket is completely un-stabilized.

This is not opinion and not vandalism. Gravity gradient stabilization is a challenge to use even on satellites with only tiny perturbing influences, it is completely useless for rockets. Stop reverting the page to the old copy-paste from ARCA's publicity page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.19.21.128 (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

So it's the Rocket Pendulum Fallacy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timotainmentorbman (talk • contribs) 05:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Add section for ARCA HAAS 2CA and Executor aerospike?

Noteworthy because of the engine design (linear aerospike), fuel (high-test hydrogen peroxide and RP-1), mission (SSTO satellite launcher), and estimated cost to LEO (USD10000/kg). I don't see anything on ARCA's web site, but as of mid-September 2017, several news outlets carried an announcement that fabrication of the Executor aerospike engine is complete and the engine is to begin testing.

Can't be sure, but it looks like what's about to be bench tested is a scaled-down version of the Executor aerospike for the Demonstrator 3, a suborbital craft.

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Add new section for AMi project?

Now that ARCA has launched the AMi project, they've basically completely reinvented their entire operation towards asteroid mining. I think it would make sense to condense everything relating to it under its own section, considering how much of a departure it is from virtually everything else they've worked on (and how much of a departure it is from the relative sanity of everything else they've done, as well).

Also worth noting that considering the new attention there may be an influx of vandalism. SpaceAlex1 (talk) 01:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)