Talk:Abd al-Rahman III

NPOV charge

I have reported this article as not having a NPOV. I am very tolerant of articles on history, accepting all verisons, as they reveal a lot of information. This article by itself seems great. However, the information in this article does not seem to show a netural point of view, and therefore must be changed. I will quote from the article.

"His life was so completely identified with the government of the state that he offers less material for biography than his ancestor Abd-ar-rahman I. Yet it supplies some passages which show the real character of an oriental dynasty even at its best."

This foreshadows the article's not-so-netural point of view. It says that this shows the 'real character of an oriental dynasty even at its best'. Now, this may be his or her view. It is ok to entertain such thoughts. However, this skews the author's work, and because of this, he has assumed his own opinons to be facts. Nowhere in the article is there proof of 'the real character' of the Spainsh Caliphate expect for his opinons.

"When the undoubted prosperity of his dominions is quoted as an example of successful Muslim rule, it is well to remember that he administered well not by means of but in spite of Muslims. The high praise given to his administration may even excite some doubts as to its real excellence."

This is presented as a fact, but this is an opinion by the writer of this article. There is no proof that shows that the rule of Abd-ar-rahman III is succesful 'in spite of Muslims', and that one must doubt 'its real existance'.

"Abd-ar-rahman was tolerant, but it is highly probable that he was very indifferent in religion, and it is certain that he was a thorough despot."

Again, this is an opinion of the writer of this article, and not a fact. There is also no proof whatsoever that this is true.

"One of the most authentic sayings attributed to him is his criticism of Otto I of Germany, recorded by Otto's ambassador, Johann, abbot of Gorze, who has left in his Vita an incomplete account of his embassy. He blamed the king of Germany for trusting his nobles, which he said could only increase their pride and leaning to rebellion."

This is proberly not part of the NPOV dispute, but this may be important. If what the article is referring to is an authentic saying, surely it is best to actually quote it from Abd-ar-rahman III's mouth, rather than parphrasing it.

Thus, I lay open my arugment for this article not being netural. There needs to be some editing to resolve these issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.97.47 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 11 October 2004

NPOV removal

After checking at the huge backlog of NPOV disputes, I believe that just marking something NPOV doesn't mean it will be fixed. Therefore, I have taken the liberty of deleting the counterverisal passages which expressed the opinions of the writer. The main article is still intact. So, the NPOV dispute is off.

However, just because they are the opinions of the writer doesn't mean they are wrong (however, I do.) It does need to be adressed in a differnet enivorment however, like in a debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.97.47 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 11 October 2004

• This article was written by the 1911 Edition of the Encyclopaedia Britiannica. Its views are very British-centric and have a very strong POV, so don't be afraid to change some stuff here. Still, there aren't too many original source materials for articles of this nature, which is partially why this hasn't been edited that much. --Robert Horning 17:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Pelagius Legemd and NPOV

Is there any imdependent verification of whether or not Abd-ar-Rahman actually had same-sex desires? I am aware of one volume that gives valuable historical context to this issue, but Pelagius is not mentioned within it. I might go looking for a biography of Abd-ar-Rahman and see what happens...

User: Calibanu 11:52, 29 April 2006

Done. Coope, Fierro, Scales and Wolf are cited for their valuable contemporary historical context and background. Please note that I've only been able to sight Coope's work personally. Can anyone supplement her observations if copies of Fierro, Scales and Wolf are in an adjacent public or university library?

User: Calibanu 12:29, 29 April 2006

ar-Rahman: Ar or Al?

Is there any reason why "ال" is transliterated as "ar". Fierro's book uses the transliteration "'Abd al-Rahman", which is directly from the Arabic. This seems to be standard for the definite article "ال". The use of "ar" might reflect pronunciation, but shouldn't wikipedia use the standard "AL" transliteration? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.119.51 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 19 March 2007

Expansion

Hey boys, I've just expanded this article to a decent status, using the Spanish article (which in some points looks however confused) and a book by Schreiber (also shallow in many points) as my sources. Can anyone help and check my English, as I am not mothertongue? Ciao and good work. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 10:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Confusion

The "Life" section refers to "Abdullah, seventh independent Umayyad emir of Al-Andalus", and to "Emir Abdallah". It appears that these are the same person. But then it says "Emir Abdallah died heirless at seventy-two." But we know that emir Abdullah was the grandfather of the subject of this article, and therefore had at least one heir. Also, the article on Abdallah ibn Muhammad says that he lived from 844 - 912, so he died before he was 70.

Can someone clarify this, and remove any inconsistencies? Maproom (talk) 21:08, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Citation without source

In the section "Legacy" there is an adjusted paragraph with a first person narrator that looks like it should be some sort of citation. However, it is neither marked as such nor is a source given. Please correct this. --79.249.123.228 (talk) 17:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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al-Rahman vs ar-Rahman

I am ambivalent about whether we use the transliteration of the name or its phonetic representation as before, but we need to be consistent - if the page is going to be Abd al-Rahman, then it should use Abd al-Rahman throughout, rather than Abd al-Rahman for the namespace then Abd ar-Rahman in the text (and the same also goes for ar-Rabdi and ad-Dakhil in his full name, and at-Tugib part way down the page). Agricolae (talk) 04:46, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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• La civilització del califat de Còrdova en temps d'Abd-al-Rahman III.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 21:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Image issue on another page

Please see the discussion at Talk:Abd al-Rahman I#Image not really Abd al-Rahman I ? , where there is an issue over an image attributed both to Abd Al-Rahman I and Abd al-Rahman III. Agricolae (talk) 15:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Pelagius of Cordoba

I restored a large chunk of text concerning the affair of Pelagius of Cordoba. This was removed by a non registered editor without justification. However I am surprised that no other editor thought to take action before now to address this. Can people be more vigilant please. Contaldo80 (talk) 20:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)