Talk:Abraham Quintanilla

Improvement

I have re-did the entire article by expanding and adding sections with sources from two books. I will continue to expand and add more information throughout the month; however, this is what I have come up with in the past two weeks or so. If anyone here can contribute positivity then please do so, I am striving for this article to be a good article. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Abraham's mother

"Abraham's mother, Mary was a mormon pioneers, who tried aggressively to convey Hispanic and Latino Americans from Catholicism to Jehovah's Witnesses, by door-to-door missionary work."

I have tried twice to remove the above conflicting/erroneous sentence regarding Mary Quintanilla. I do not know why my last effort was labeled vandalism. To call her a "mormon pioneer" who tried to convert Hispanic/Latino Catholics to Jehovah's Witnesses makes no sense whatsoever. Being a Mormon is different and unrelated to being a Jehovah's Witness. The sentence needs to be removed or rewritten with correct information. FauxFauxMartha (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Tell me how else you would re-write this? However, its written in the book "Como La Flor" that Mary Quintanilla was a mormon pioneers who did door-to-door missionary work in efforts to convert Latino Americans to JW. AJona1992 (talk) 22:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Either the book says something else, or the book is wrong. Can you supply an exact quotation?--Jeffro77 (talk) 23:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure: When Abe Quintanilla was fourteen, his parents left the Catholic Church to become Jehovah's Witnesses. It was a decision that changed his family forever. Abraham Sr., and Mary were among the early pioneers in the exodus of Latin-Americans from the Catholic Church to Protestant religions that was led by the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, who were among the more aggressive groups seeking to convert the Spanish-speaking population through door-to-door missionary work. That's whats written in the book. AJona1992 (talk) 00:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok. So it says the exodus of Latin-Americans from the Catholic Church was led by the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. It doesn't say Mary was a member of both groups.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

No it doesn't say she was a member however it does say she was "among" them. AJona1992 (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, she was among a broader group of Latin-Americans who'd converted away from the Catholic Church. I have fixed the paragraph in question.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:25, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Alright since I have little knowledge about JW studies the edit looks better. Thanks for helping out this issue, AJona1992 (talk) 00:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Abraham Quintanilla Jr/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Abraham Isaac Quintanilla Jr or simply known as Abraham was born on February 20, 1939 Rather clumsy, please rephrase.

   Abraham was a Mexican American singer-songwriter and record producer for his band Los Dinos and for Selena y Los Dinos, which mostly consisted of his children When did he stop being this?

   Abraham is mostly known as the father of Selena, whose passion for music arose in his teens when he joined the group Los Dinos (English: The Guys) in the 1950s Surely Selena is female?

   The band's successful single Give Me One Chance sold 150,000 copiesa and became the band's wheel when the song had heavy airplay, at the time of its released, in South Texas[3]. Abraham's group was discriminated by Whites for being Americans of Mexican decent[4][5]. Los Dinos were even booed out of buildings for not knowing any Mexican music[6][7]. The bands' popularity dwindlwed in numbers and record sales began to fall. Abraham quit the band in early 1970s to support his family.[8] Oh this is very bad, spelling and grammar mistakes throughout. Please get this copy-edited.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   IMDb can only be used as a reliable source for casting details, not biographical details which are user added. (ref #1)[1]

   Ref #36[2] failed verification, as did ref #35[3]

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Hard to determine with such a poorly written article.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   No images used.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   I am failing this nomination as a lot of work will be required to make this article meet the GA criteria. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I have tried my best to fixed grammar errors and citations. I am having trouble with ref #'s 35 and 36. AJona1992 (talk) 17:20, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The nomination failed. When you have fixed issues and checked against the WP:GACR, please renominate. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't help at all. I'm going to ask for a Peer Review instead then. AJona1992 (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Making sense of a note

"in the book Como La Flor written by Joe Nick Patoski, "Los Dinos" sold 150,000 copies which the book states Manny Guerra may over exaggerated on the record sales of the single"

I have changed this to

"in Selena Como La Flor, Joe Nick Patoski, Patoski says Give Me One Chance's sales of 150,000 copies may have been exaggerated by Manny Guerra."

It really needs someone to look at the book to see that it does say that, certainly the existing note makes little or no sense.

A Merry Christmas! Rich Farmbrough, 02:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC).

I'm the one who originally added that line. Patoski was given the sales estimates from Guerra, I'm guessing while writing the book, and Patoski believes this was an exaggerated figure and he pointed that out in the book. Best, .jona^talk 20:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article should not be deleted as the subject satisfies WP:Notability (musicians). The random IP 107.77.218.6 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), whose only purpose seems to be directed towards deleting articles, believes the subject is only notable for being the father of Selena and had the IP actually read the article s/he would know that the subject had a life and a career playing with Los Dinos in the two decades that preceded the birth of Selena. Furthermore, he is the owner of Q-Productions which handles other musicians in the Tejano music market who went on winning awards at the TMAs. – jona ✉ 21:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@AJona1992: okay you can stop attacking me now. The only reason Los Dinos are famous is because of Selena. The band Los Dinos that was created before Selena was born is not notable, their music didn't chart anywhere, they didn't win any major awards etc. Also I propose a merge with this article and Q Productions since he is the owner.

Requested move 21 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasuよ! 07:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Abraham Quintanilla Jr. → Abraham Quintanilla – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. In the Quintanilla musical family, Selena's father is more commonly known as "Abraham", and his son (creator of Kumbia Kings) is best known as "A.B." likely to distinguish himself from the elder Abraham.

News coverage at the time of Selena's passing did not use "Jr.", such as this May 21, 1995 article in the Houston Chronicle in addition to other articles like this article from October 1995 and this Texas Monthly article from May 1995.

However, even back then some stories included "Jr.", like this December 1995 article by Texas Monthly, as well as this Houston Chronicle article during the murder trial of Selena's killer.

So it appears that this Abraham Quintanilla is the only person commonly known by that name and is generally known without the "Jr.", because his son (Abraham III) goes by a nickname. Arbor to SJ (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

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