Talk:Ibrahim ibn Yaqub

Should this article be moved?

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The result of the move request was: moved. Andrewa (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Abraham ben Jacob → ? – According to the opening sentence, Abraham ben Jacob was better known under his Arabic name of Ibrâhîm ibn Ya`qûb al-Tartushi. WP:COMMONNAME says we should name things using "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources". I would argue that any of the Arabic redirects to this article (Ibrahim ibn Jakub, Ibrahim ibn Jaqub, Ibrahim ibn Yaqub al-Tartushi, Ibrahim ibn Yaqub, Íbrahím ibn Jaqúb, Ibrahim Ibn Jacub, Ibrahim ibn Jacub, Ibrahim ibn Ahmed At-Tartûschi, Ibrahim ibn Ya'kub, or Ibrāhīm ibn Yaʿqūb al-IsrāʾAīlī al-Turṭushi) is a better name than the current Hebrew name. For simplicity's sake, I personally favor Ibrahim ibn Yaqub as it involves no diacritics or unusual spellings. What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:23, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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• Support a move from the current title which is definitely a rare spelling of his name. Ibrahim ibn Yaqub is fine with me although Ibrahim ibn Ya'qub is more common in some Google Book searches. (See these Google Ngram results for examples; I did not include the current title is not included due to the large number of false positives—there are many other Abraham ben Jacobs[1].) —  AjaxSmack  04:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support Ibrahim ibn Yaqub as simplest spelling among the native name variants. — JFG ^talk 01:37, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

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Article lede post move

User:Malik Shabazz, I had a look at updating the lede to comply to the MOS after the move, but I decided I'd just make a mess if I tried (despite speaking a little Turkish!).

Could you handle this (either personally or by delegation), or should I raise it with an appropriate WikiProject or similar? TIA Andrewa (talk) 08:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Will do. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 11:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Mohuč, on the map

On the map, "Mohuč" is the Czech name for the German city Mainz. Acwilson9 (talk) 05:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistent map

The map is inconsistent with the article content, since the journey shown there does not start from his native town, Tolosa, does not enter into Poland (although he could have talked of it as per stories heard, which is unlikely), does not cross Italy and shows a "return" to Cordoba whereas the article states that nothing is known of his travelling back. 194.78.194.24 (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Brill source

@StarkReport: In this edit, you added the citation M. Brett and E. Reinfelder, Ibrahim Ibn Ya'qub's Account of Northern and Eastern Europe (965-969): A Translation of the Kitab al-Istibsar, (Leiden: Brill, 2015). This book does not appear to exist. Can you explain? Srnec (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I can't remember this edit, it's possible the source I accessed was a rare or out-of-print edition. Nonetheless, conducting research on this topic again, I found some sources regarding Yaqub's mention of the Jewish community: The Jews of Bohemia and Moravia: Facing the Holocaust(Page No: 8), and Languages of Community: The Jewish Experience in the Czech Lands(Page No: 11), as well as, I think Aish whose article I recently edited.

As for Yaqub's description of Mieszko I’s reign: Arab travelers about Poland. The image of Ibrahim Ibn Yaqub and the image of the Slavs(Page No:222) that states "most important source material regarding the beginnings of Mieszko I’s reign, the most unique pieces of information Ibrāhīm disclosed on Poland were those concerning the internal affairs of this young state (especially the prince’s druzhina, literally: fellowship) and those confirming or specifying certain issues related to the wars led by Mieszko I. " and Page No:225 that states "So far, it has been one of the most important sources of the Polish medieval history. Some fragments of Ibrāhīm’s account, e.g. the description of Mieszko I’s country, can be found in every book on the history of Poland." StarkReport (talk) 09:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I can find no reference to any work published by Brill by Brett and Reinfelder. "M. Brett" would be Michael Brett, but I have no idea who Reinfelder is. The citation looks like an AI concoction. Srnec (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)