Talk:Abu Ishaq Ibrahim al-Kanemi

Latest comment: 9 days ago by Hausa warrior in topic Black

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@Bearcat: It is typical of Wikipedia's categories that you cannot tell whether they are ethnic, national, linguistic, cultural, legal, etc. The category "12th-century Arabic poets" absolutely does not tell you that its members were Arabs. It tells you they wrote in Arabic. Then there is a category:Arab poets, which tells you to put every one in an "Arabic poets" subcat. Probably it is true that until relatively recent times being an Arab poet meant being an Arabic poet (but not vice versa), but why do we switch adjectives in the middle of the category tree? Why isn't there a category:Arabic poets but instead category:Arabic-language poets, when our article Arabic suggests that it refers only to a language? Note that the subcats of Arab poets are also subcats of Arabic-language poets. In short, it's a mess and that is why I dropped it back in June. But you were wrong: "Category:12th-century Arabic poets" does not imply that is members were Arabs. Srnec (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Well, then you need to get Category:Arabic poets by century out of Category:Arab poets, because if Arabic poets and Arab poets aren't the same thing, then Arabic poets shouldn't be a subcategory of Arab poets. As long as it is a subcategory of Arab poets, however, duplicate categorization rules apply, which means people do not go into both the parent "Arab poets" and the child "any-century Arabic poets" at the same time as each other. It's one or the other, period, and I'm not debating any grey areas that would violate our rules around double-catting articles in both parent and child categories within the same tree. Bearcat (talk) 01:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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@Hausa warrior: "jet-black in hue" + "Sub-Saharan" = Black African. I avoid the term "Sub-Saharan" because the only thing "sub" about Sub-Saharan Africa is that north is up and south down per cartographic convention. Hence, it is an unusual term. Srnec (talk) 02:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I cant stand the term Sub-Saharan Africa but I live in Africa and we dont call ourselves black Africans, no one in the UN or Unesco talks about black Africans it is not only pejorative it is antiquated and very colonial. Like Red Indians, and Yellow Asians. I dont know what black means? His skin color or what Whites called African people after enslaving them? Hausa warrior (talk) 10:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)Reply