Talk:United States documents leak of the War in Afghanistan

Reliable?

I removed this because it looks like a Blog rather than a reputable news report. (After a short paragraph, the piece strings together other reports, blogs, etc.)

Child prostitution

The documents revealed that Department of Defense private contractor employees hired local male child prostitutes.

Is this a reliable source? Cannot a more reliable source be found? (This should be headline news.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Here you go.

• "Foreign contractors hired Afghan 'dancing boys', WikiLeaks cable reveals" - The Guardian
• "WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops" - Houston Press
• "DynCorp disputes WikiLeaks allegations" - Fort Worth Star Telegram
• "Report: Wikileaks cables show Texas company “helped pimp little boys to stoned Afghan cops'" - Boing Boing

And the response by DynCorp to the Houston Press can be found discussed here. Silverseren^C 21:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

The Guardian is reliable but yesterday's coverage (unless changed in the last hours) was mainly reporting the cable, with little comment.

You reference an older and more substantial Guardian story, which is a reliable source, I agree.

The Houston Press is not a reliable source. Notice its correct address, namely

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_dyncorp_responds.php

"BoingBoing.Net" sounds like that Jerry Lewis farce: Are you seriously saying that it is a reliable source?

Besides the old ~Guardian article, we could look at the French, German, Swedish, etc. WP's and see what reliable sources in those countries have reported.... (While we wait for the NYT, WP, Miami Herald, CSM, Times of London, etc., etc.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a related discussion at Talk:United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak#Raping_boys, where I acknowledged Serene's good work in finding the December Guardian article (and apologized for being too tired to help more.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:NEWSBLOG is my response to your comment about the Houston Press ref. The articles were written by a Houston Press reporter, not by a random person. And, yes, Boing Boing is reliable. It is written by Xeni Jardin and Mark Frauenfelder. And you didn't comment on the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

And this is old news, there's not going to be new news reports. You have to go look for the old ones. Silverseren^C 23:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I think WP:NEWSBLOG might apply to the original ref as well. Huffington Post is a RS, and Jason Linkins is a professional, presumably subject to their editorial control. Thundermaker (talk) 02:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I strongly disagree that those news sources are reliable. It is a fallacy to conclude that those two sources obey the standards of reliable professional newspapers from the existence of a professional ethical code that all newspaper blogs should maintain professional standards: In fact, many newspapers don't maintain profesional standards. In the case of blogs affiliated with on-line alternative press, common sense must prevail. I cannot imagine such amateurish blogs appearing in print; they do not meet the standard of professional journalism.

Second, they are less reliable and of lower quality than the December Guardian story and similar reliable sources. There is no need to use paraprofessional bush-league sources when internationally leading high quality most reliable sources.

Third, I of course would respect consensus, if we get some more voices. Until such time as more editors chime in, 2:1 is short of the consensus needed to threaten Wikipedia's reputation with sensationalism built on shoddy citations.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand what exactly you're looking for. Here's another source discussing it. And here's a full copy of the Star Telegram article I gave above. Oh, and here's the copy of the specific cable posted by the Guardian. Silverseren^C 21:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

How is it possible that the child prostitution issue has been reduced down to one sentence? Why has DynCorp's name been scrubbed from the article? 199.241.14.253 (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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