Talk:List of Air New Zealand destinations

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We should remove all destinations ONLY served by Mount Cook Airline. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Why? Mount Cook Airline's route network is 100% integrated with that of Air New Zealand, and the decision as to which cities are served by it (or by other nominal subsidiaries) is made entirely based on which aircraft type Air NZ wants for that particular route. Functionally, Mount Cook Airline is an operating division of Air NZ, not a separate airline in its own right. -- Vardion (talk) 05:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

With Delta Air Lines Comair is a wholly owned subsidiary, yet it has its own destination list. You could use a separate color for Mount Cook and the other airlines - just as long as the man doesn't become too cluttered. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Comair, as far as I can tell, is more independent of Delta in its operations than Mount Cook Airline is of Air New Zealand. A better comparison, I think, would be trying to show Delta's 737 flights and 757 flights as if they were separate from each other. Mount Cook Airline's independence is a technicality maintained for operational reasons, not something that actually matters for determining what airports are part of the Air NZ network — showing the subsidiary services separately doesn't add anything (and in my view, actually adds confusion — a town's status as connected to Air NZ's network isn't dependent on which particular aircraft the company choses to fly there, and that's the only distinction that exists between mainline Air NZ and the subsidiaries). -- Vardion (talk) 09:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The distinction between Comair and Delta is that Comair operates smaller aircraft - It's similar to American Airlines and American Eagle, or Singapore Airlines and SilkAir, or EVA Air and Uni Air - What is different is when the commuter airline is operated by a distinct company, i.e. with Mesa Airlines's various commuter airlines. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Again (and perhaps I'm wrong), all of those examples seem to be more distinct from their parent airlines than Mount Cook Airline. But for me, the fundamental point is: does showing Mount Cook Airline separately give a more accurate and/or useful portrayal of how the airline functions in practice? I believe that the answer is quite definitely in the negative — separating mainline Air NZ from its subsidiaries presents a misleading picture which pays more attention to behind-the-scenes technicalities of corporate structure than to how things actually work. Mount Cook Airline's status isn't actually in any way important to determining which cities are served by Air NZ — in this case, there is no practical difference between the airline and its subsidiaries (Silk Air, say, is certainly not an equivalent situation). -- Vardion (talk) 21:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

destinations

Since ANZ link carriers have their own articles, their destinations should not included in ANZ destinations page in any layout form.116.71.8.148 (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Table layout

What the project page has see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines/page_content#Destinations

• Destination lists should always be sorted by country, not by city. They should also have the ability to be sorted by the reader

So by that it should go back to the previous layout country first followed by city etc Regards CHCBOY (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Suspensions

The fact that a service to a destination is suspended does not make it any less encyclopedic, especially in a context where the suspensions are notable. I agree these lists should not fall afoul of Wikipedia is not a guide or not news sections of policy, but the suspensions comply with the policy. Also, we must be mindful that these list include destinations which are not served yet too, or are "temporarily" yet to begin - and it would be better to ensure that the list is neutral. Reverting edits hastily does not lend itself to collaboration, so I've inserted the current scheduled resumption dates so that there is no ambiguity. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for temporary information.Andrewgprout (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia restricts or revokes editing privileges for users who do not work together to build consensus. Your personal view is actually not consistent with Wikipedia's operations or its policies and appears to have crossed other aviation articles. You must discuss your changes properly if you would like to establish a consensus for that type of thing.

For this list, it is misleading to suggest that a route has a "present" end when it does not. It also does not make sense to refer to temporary start dates without reflecting actual notable events concerning ANZ's list of destinations, more so when other "temporary" information is already included in the list. Minor or routine suspensions for a day or two, for example due to a particular aircraft having a technical issue, would not warrant inclusion. By contrast, seasonal suspensions do affect the list of which destinations are currently served. This is obviously not a mere historical list. Therefore, the unprecedented suspensions caused by COVID-19, which are particularly notable and comply with all of our policies, are noted. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ncmvocalist: Firstly it is polite when a topic is being discussed on a talk page not to revert the edit this is about. WP:BRD is a sensible tool here It would be good if you followed it. Also your reply is verging on not assuming good faith. All you are doing by the argument you have given is question the validity of the list (and some other details common on aviation articles) as a whole as all your arguments could be used to delete the list in its entirity as not fitting Wikipedia's scope as an encycyclopaedia. Encyclopaedias do not need to include everything, they certainly do not contain rapidly changing or temporary information. Andrewgprout (talk) 06:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

LAX focus city?

LAX is hardly a focus city, especially now that LHR flights are discontinued. Is there a definitive source showing Air New Zealand considers it a focus city? Mirza Ahmed (talk) 21:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

• Yes I agree on LAX its not any more a focus city. I will move the focus highlighting for it.CHCBOY (talk) 03:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Format

What's the preferred layout here when a previously terminated destination re-appears? Add a second line for the same city? -- Chuq (talk) 08:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Correct so it will be just like Taipei which has been started twice now. CHCBOY (talk) 12:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @CHCBOY: - it's obvious now - I must have been looking with my eyes closed! -- Chuq (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Fixing tables removing unknown date, added rowspan etc

Hello everyone! I've seen some of any destination pages of an airline and I thought maybe we should update this List of Air New Zealand destinations tables like removing start and ended date, remove some highlight by replacing this Airline hub, Airline seasonal, Terminated and Airline focus templates, remove the IATA and ICAO (not necessarily btw) and add the rowspan for a lot of cities serving on that country. I hope you'll understand what I said and yeah.. I hope you'll agreeing with me. Thanks! Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 10:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Hi cornerstone, I am perplexed as to why you want to remove the start date column what for? It is a useful source of information of when a new destination was started. CHCBOY (talk) 11:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@CHCBOY: I mean, some of all airline destinations pages didn't put the start date column. But if you disagree, maybe we can remove the highlights by replacing "Airline hub, Airline seasonal, Terminated and Airline focus templates, remove the IATA and ICAO column and add the rowspan for a lot of cities serving on that country." I hope you understand what I'm saying. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 11:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• I think the IATA code column is useful info and not really see the need to remove it. However the focus city of LAX is out of date now that it only has one route to it from AKL with both the RAR and LHR routes dropped. Plus the Charter could be removed from the color table as no more charter flights exist.

Regards.CHCBOY (talk) 03:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I removed the excess Japan to just one entry however the color is on the country row should just be for the city so not look so good. CHCBOY (talk) 00:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

HKG

Air NZ did fly to the former Hong Kong airport at Kai Tak as what is showing in the 1968 timetable images used in the ref. So it was not only the new airport served since 1998. CHCBOY (talk) 00:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Possible deletion

Hi All, Just a heads up It is possible that this article will get deleted as I have noticed others getting deleted recently that also belong to major airlines. Unfortunately they are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore CHCBOY (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

An update on this some more articles got deleted. But the rest remain due to a planned RFC on the general article type inclusion on Wikipedia CHCBOY (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)