Talk:Al-Amir bi-Ahkam Allah

Arabic?

The transcription "Al-Amīr" does not seem to match Arabic الآمر ... AnonMoos (talk) 07:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the transliteration according to the cited form الآمر.

-- 19:53, 12 November 2008 User:Emilyzilch

Coinage

Coin of Calif al-Amir, Tyre, 1118 CE. British Museum.

Feel free to insert this coin into the article. PHG (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Al Ameer son (talk · contribs) 04:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Will begin review within the coming few days; made some minor copyedits, feel free to revert if unhelpful. Al Ameer (talk) 04:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments/SuggestionsReview

• Reign in the infobox?
  • Wow, how did I miss that? Added.
• Consistency with capitalizations of Caliph and Imam ("the tenth Fatimid Caliph, and the 20th Imam of the Musta'li Isma'ili sect" and "ninth Fatimid imam-caliph, al-Musta'li")
  • Fixed.
• Do we know the names of his mother and his wife (the daughter of al-Afdal)
  • Gibb gives the name (or rather title) Sitt al-Mulk for his mother, but I haven't been able to corroborate it. The title is otherwise treated as unique for Sitt al-Mulk, the daughter of al-Aziz. Al-Afdal's daughter is not named in my sources (would have to look into primary sources likely). Will add if I find anything.
• "… the main preoccupation of the Fatimid state was the conflict" → "… the Fatimid state was preoccupied with the conflict"
  • Rephrased.
• Perhaps a little more context about the "territorial losses in the previous decade" and the Nizari schism. A footnote would also suffice.
  • Done.
• "coastal cities" → "Syrian (or Levantine) coastal cities"
  • Done.
• Add a map showing the Crusader states/Fatimid Egypt. Al Ameer (talk) 03:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Map added.

@Al Ameer son: I have addressed the points above. Anything else? Constantine ✍ 06:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

That is all. Thanks for another great article on one of the lesser known Fatimid caliphs. Al Ameer (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 00:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that medieval Muslim historians blamed al-Amir bi-Ahkam Allah for the loss of much of Palestine to the crusaders but, in reality, he played no role in the Fatimid government during that period? Source: Walker, Paul E. (2011). "al-Āmir bi-Aḥkām Allāh". In Fleet, Kate; Krämer, Gudrun; Matringe, Denis; Nawas, John; Stewart, Devin J. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, THREE. Brill Online. ISSN 1873-9830.
  • ALT1: ... that the assassination of al-Amir bi-Ahkam Allah both undid his attempts to concentrate power in the caliph's hands and endangered the very survival of the Fatimid dynasty? Source: Brett, Michael (2017). The Fatimid Empire. The Edinburgh History of the Islamic Empires. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 978-0-7486-4076-8. Page 261
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jabari Smith Jr.

Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 21:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Al-Amir bi-Ahkam Allah; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

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Overall: Article improved to GA status on the 8th, 6 days before the nomination, just under the wire but still soon enough. QPQ satisfied. Article is well written and well cited. Random spot checks doesn't find anything, same with Earwig. Passages are reliably cited, though it was not easy getting a hold of the sources. I made one minor modification to the first hook, please review when able. No other issues noted, passing both hooks. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 23:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Add back double links in infobox

Heyy, Neveselbert and Cplakidas: you (separately) removed links I'd put in "Cairo" and "Fatimid Caliphate" in the birth date field of the infobox.

I had seen them linked once within the infobox, but I chose to link them a second time at the place of birth as I figured (from my own behaviour) that birth- and death-date and place are spots where a lot of readers would glance first; Cairo being linked in the caption at the top would be completely lost, and perhaps readers wouldn't look at the caliph's title before his place of birth. What do you think, do you disagree with this rationale?

I only found out about MOS:GEOLINK while voraciously reading the manual of style for linking before posting this, but separate links to modern-day Cairo and the Fatimid Caliphate still make sense to me, as the Caliphate is a historical geographic place—and linking it here will provide important context about the historical state, at the expense of some link clarity, to readers who will glance at the infobox first. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@I'llbeyourbeach I don’t disagree with your quite sensible suggestion, the problem is though that in any upcoming review process (I am planning to get this up to FA standard fairly soon) they will be required to be removed again per MOS. Constantine ✍ 20:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The MOS isn't absolute is it? You can show them my (our? ^-^) rationale for making the exception.  —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 20:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I've adjusted the link to Cairo in the caption to Islamic Cairo and restored the link in |birth_place=. I don't think a second link to Fatimid Caliphate would be necessarily helpful. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 07:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)