Talk:Political views of Albert Einstein

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: all moved per nomination. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Albert Einstein's political views → Political views of Albert Einstein
• Christopher Hitchens's political views → Political views of Christopher Hitchens
• Noam Chomsky's political views → Political views of Noam Chomsky
• Phyllis Schlafly's social policies → Social policies of Phyllis Schlafly
• Samuel Johnson's political views → Political views of Samuel Johnson
• Stanley Kubrick's political and religious beliefs → Political and religious beliefs of Stanley Kubrick
• Adolf Hitler's political views → Political views of Adolf Hitler
• Subhas Chandra Bose's political views → Political views of Subhas Chandra Bose

– Per the WP:TITLE provision favoring consistency. A title search for "Political views" or ""Political positions" suggests that it more common to list such things as "Foo views of Subject" rather than "Subject's foo views". This is even more pronounced with the number of articles on things like the "Early life of Subject". bd2412 T 15:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support for consistency and improved encyclopedic tone. However, the name-first format of the present titles is better for searching, so I also support having redirects from this format generally. 172.9.22.150 (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose as per WP:CONCISE, WP:NATURAL and WP:UE; this is the most common way of referring to such views in English, and if other articles are titled X of Y instead of Y's X, then those articles should move. Red Slash 01:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

  Regarding WP:CONCISE, this is basically replacing an "'s" with an "of" and a space; it adds one character to the title, and for a title like Christopher Hitchens's political views, this probably makes it easier to actually pronounce. As for WP:NATURAL and WP:UE, I see nothing unnatural about phrasing things as the "Foo views of Bar", and I think that it is highly unlikely that there will be any support for reversing the order in the much larger number of titles that are phrased that way. This is also how we do things with article titles like Transportation in the United States, rather than The United States's transportation. bd2412 T 02:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support. I agree that using the apostrophe-s possessive for proper names in encyclopedia articles is not generally a good idea when one considers issues of style. I think either format is "natural", in that normal English speakers would use them. Redirects should be kept, of course. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:00, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Civil Rights

"There is however, a somber point in the social outlook of Americans. Their sense of equality and human dignity is mainly limited to men of white skins.” Albert Einstein in speech to Princeton University, 1948

The reference used here, 28, points to a page that doesn't attribute a source, or even mention a Princeton University speech. A quick search in Google yields a reference in "Einstein on Race and Racism", by Fred Jerome and Rodger Taylor (2005), which attributes this to an article published by Peagant in 1946, entitled "The Negro Question" (p. 86).

I'm using a cell to write this, don't trust it to edit the page effectively.

tvleavitt (talk) 19:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyright issue

Large pieces of this addition (made by a Janellwashere, a banned user) are copies of this website. There has been some effort made a re-writing, but for instance you can find word for word this paragraph in both: "From the Scottsboro Boys case to the numerous attempts to stop the execution of Willie McGee, a black Mississippi sharecropper accused of raping a white woman, and efforts to prevent New Jersey from extraditing Sam Buckhannon, a black Georgian who had escaped a chain gang after serving 18 years for stealing a pack of cigarettes, Einstein used his fame to condemn American racism.". I am not sure of what needs to be done to solve the issue (re-write? purge?) so I hope some other user will know what to do. Asavaa (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Dictatorships

"In the twenties, when no dictatorships existed, I advocated that refusing to go to war would make war improper." So Einstein considered the Soviet Union not to be a dictatorship then?! Also, I'm sure there were other countries of at least authoritarian character. --105.8.0.217 (talk) 14:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Einstein was a pinko. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Is your invocation of an epithet intended to be humorous, 'Sire'? –Mohd.maaz864 (talk) 03:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! Since you're an IP editor and going by your Contributions Log, a relative WP:NEW. I would've cited you a guide for newcomers but I'm gonna refer you to here, directly: WP:TALK#USE obligates not a single-letter commentary on the subject but HOW any content has been presented in the article, or should be presented( as, yet-to-be-included).

Sincerely, please understand that you're in breach of WP:FORUM and if your interest lies solely or even predominantly, in discussing the subject's worldview with other editors, you're more than welcome to do so at WP:RFQ. Regards. –Mohd.maaz864 (talk) 04:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit Note: Fixed the alignment of preceding-para[graph] and added line-break on top. –Mohd.maaz864 (talk) 04:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:RS make clear that Einstein was a pinko, but not a Marxist. The FBI investigation about Einstein was not wholly groundless, but a reasonable action, see https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262536882/ tgeorgescu (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Repetition

The article says "Einstein was a life long pacifist" under the heading "War". This has appeared again in a caption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.68.181.124 (talk) 15:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Recent deletions

According to WP:CITELEAD, the information is sourced, so it should not be wantonly deleted. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

He was an Anti-Capitalist do you get it? says nothing, since many Zionists were anti-capitalists. See Kibbutz. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@IP: you have rather one-sided views of Zionism in general and of Einstein in particular. You don't understand him by mechanically applying some catchy slogan.

Zionism-as-nationalist-fever might not have been Einstein's understanding of Zionism, but something more like Zionism-as-defense-from-nationalism. You might use the same word, but you have no WP:RS that it meant for him the same as it means for you. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)