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Should I move the title to Alice de la Roche? Yes, I think I shall to avoid confusion.No, she never did rule Athens. Her daughter claimed Athens by right of her descent from Alice, but Alice herself never ruled.--jeanne (talk) 07:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
Jason, both my sources, Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands and Libro d'Oro della Nobilty di Mediterranean confirm that Otto or Othon was the father of Guy, not his uncle. Have you any sources, besides the Wikipedia article on Guy which is not in itself a valid source, that says Othon/Otto was Guy's uncle?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Reply