Talk:Aliens Versus Predator 2

Multiplayer

section out of date. Official support has ceased. Official Publisher announcement here [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.73.216 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

russian version of wikipedia covers this, and cites that URL [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.73.216 (talk) 00:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

For the umpteenth time, the article talk page is not a forum. If you have a reliable source, then nothing is preventing you from adding this information to the article. However, I would recommend searching for a different source, preferrably a third-party one, as messageboard forums are not generally considered reliable. Perhaps the company has presented the same information in some kind of news post or press release, rather than on a forum. Or even better, perhaps their announcement has been covered by a third-party gaming news source. Or is the forum the only way they make these types of announcements? If so, all you need do is cite the source and it can be included in the article. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Third-party gaming news sources cite this forum message as a primary source: [3] [4] [5] 80.93.176.70 (talk) 09:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

and when i add this to the article you reverted it multiple times --98.229.73.216 (talk) 16:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Because you have yet to cite a reliable source, despite numerous requests. Another editor has provided some above. --IllaZilla (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

maybe i dont know how to do all that fancy jazz? instead of reverting my earlier attempts, maybe help with formating the reference url? numerous other wikipedia articles cite [6] as a source. [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.73.216 (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, this article contains very few in text citations.

Which is a reason to find more sources, not to add even more unreferenced statements. It's not just the matter of a source, you keep inserting a boilerplate comment: "Official support from the publisher has ceased" right beneath the multiplayer section header. This is extremely poor writing. If you want to add information to the article, don't just treat it like a blog or forum & slap the same statement wherever you please. Find a place where it might flow with the article's text, construct one or two complete sentences, and then finish with a citation. For example: "In November 2008 Sierra discontinued its online multiplayer support for Aliens versus Predator 2 along with a number of other games, making Aliens versus Predator 2's online multiplayer component no longer playable through the developer's servers." And that should go at the bottom of the Multiplayer section, not the top. Do you see how that's better, and makes more sense, than just slapping "Official support from the publisher has ceased" at the top of the section? --IllaZilla (talk) 18:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

your comment about sources in this article is comparable to putting new tires in a car with a broken engine. My additions have had sources, multiple at that. If you believe so strongly that my writing is so poor why dont you make a proper correction to this article by updating it with the current and accurate information provided. Many hours of frustration have been experienced because people do not have the correct information. The russian version of this article already includes the information I have been trying to add for 6 months. "Aliens versus Predator 2 has several multiplayer modes which can no longer be played through an internet or Local Area Network connection. "—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.73.216 (talk) 17:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Jaws

Cruzloganmaximus (talk) 04:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Story\Plot Expansion

Rather than simply being a bitch and reposting the plot elaboration that lasted less than 24 hours online, I thought I'd come here and voice my opinion. AvP2 is a large game that follows not one, but three separate and complex storylines. The a plot section the size of the currant one might be suitable for a movie, or a single-story game. But AvP2 is three times more detailed, and therefore, I feel it warrants a larger acknowledgement of the plot.

All three plots of AvP2 are well thought out, encompass strong characters and interwine naturally. I feel that that deserves more than just a couple of sentences each.

A lot of people who don't play video games don't realize how immersive they are these days. They see games still being as simple as Donkey Kong or Space Invaders - a good guy battling gorillas or chimps just because the manual says "they're the bad guy". They don't appreciate that there is so much backstory and such dynamic plots/characters in modern videogames.

Granted, that most people who aren't interested in videogames won't do a wikipedia search on AvP2 to begin with, but for the ones that do, I think it's important to let them know that there's more to this game than just attacking "bad guys" with only a loose premise to back your actions up. --122.148.183.5 (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. While we do include a brief plot summary and details about the plots of works of fiction (video games included), extensive, in-depth and overly detailed plot descriptions are far more detail than Wikipedia wants. Our focus is on the real-world aspects of the game: its development, gameplay, reception, etc. The plot summary is only a part of that larger encyclopedic treatment. The 3 campaigns can easily be summed up in a concise manner (remember, this is a plot summary, not a blow-by-blow). This is far too much plot detail, way out of proportion to the rest of the coverage. The current version is much more concise while still devoting a paragraph to each campaign and covering the most salient details. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a greater danger in trying to provide too much plot detail, which is that the game repeatedly contradicts itself on plot details. For example, if the Predators don't arrive until 6 days after The Incident, then how could The Incident have been caused by a Predator's self-destruct device? Example two: in the Alien campaign, security at the Forward Observation Pods goes down at 9:50 PM; in the Marine campaign, however, the APC convoy arrives at the Pods at 9:40 PM, and the security systems are back up and running by then. Additionally, a lot of stuff is hinted at but never made explicit, so there's a dangerous temptation toward original research. For example, in the Marine campaign, you can learn that Dr. Eisenberg sent an email to the Internal Security Protocol Chief in which they discuss "the need to discourage espionage", "tying the security layer into the node protocol", and how this could lead to a "cascade failure of the entire node tree" that would require a "cold reboot" and leave the Pods defenseless for 15 minutes. The player is left to assume that this is why disabling security in the tunnels also left the Pods open to attack, but is that ever made explicit? With that having been said, people who've played the game and wish for a better understanding of the plot may come here looking for one, so I understand the desire to put a more detailed plot description SOMEWHERE. Perhaps the talk page would be an appropriate place? 73.70.13.107 (talk) 20:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Reception?

The reception section looks like it was copied and pasted from the Reception section of the Primal Hunt expansion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_versus_Predator_2#Aliens_versus_Predator_2:_Primal_Hunt 205.250.79.142 (talk) 07:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

What are you talking about? That's the same article. The expansion is covered within this article, as it doesn't stand alone. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

external link and unsourced claim of official site

This material has been repeatedly inserted. I have requested protection to prevent the continuation of this edit war. There is no ref to support the claim that the fan site has some official status, and we don't use external links in the body of the article. If there is s reliable, independent source to show that the site has some official status we can include the information. Either way, the external links in the body of the text is not appropriate. Meters (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

With a reliable source to show the official status of the site in question, I would suggest putting the link in the External Links section per WP:ELOFFICIAL. If someone wants to make a case that this fan site deserves to be in the article even without being an official site I'm happy to consider it. Meters (talk) 06:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

The IPs are currently blocked for adding spam links, so in the meantime I'll try a compromise edit by moving the link into External Links with an explanation for why it's there, but no mention of any "official" status. I won't undo anyone who chooses to remove the link entirely. Meters (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Chronology with regard to the movies

Alien 3 takes place at least 200 years after the eradication of cholera. Since cholera was not extinct by 1979, Aliens and Alien 3 cannot take place any earlier than 2279. This information is given in the movie itself, and therefore supersedes information found in comic books, early script drafts, other video games, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.70.13.107 (talk) 10:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Your math is way wrong. 2279 - 1979 is 300 years not 200 years. Anyway a generic throwaway line about a rough time period "200 years" in general conversation people don't take that as exact. Stop adding your own unsourced and original research items to Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 12:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Learn what the words "at least" mean. Also, information from the movies themselves is NOT original research. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 10:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent edits

@86.147.244.61: Regarding the edits here, these are not approriate unless a reliable, third-party source has covered this. WP:VG/S has a long list of such reliable sources, as well as ones deemed unreliable or inconclusive. Without such sources, mentioning fansites / unofficial server websites in this manner is not appropriate. The way forward right now would be to check if some of the sites in the list (or others, doesn'ẗ neccesarily have to be such gaming-related websites.) have covered this and then go from there. I'll try to check google for such mentions and see if anything comes up. Eik Corell (talk) 09:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)