Talk:American popular music

Um

"British bands like the Sex Pistols and The Clash found short-lived fame at home and, to a lesser degree, in the United States" "Short-lived fame" please. You can't deny that these bands assumed their legendary status in music, and are still INCREDIBLY famous. Even if you don't like them. Please change this.

Also this article could use heaps of pictures from other articles, one picture to describe each scene/era would be enough.

new opening?

Hi Tuf-Kat I'd like to suggest simply one paragraph at the opening:

From its roots in West African and European folk traditions, American popular music has developed into a rich variety of styles over the last 200 years, which have had a profound effect on music across the world, particularly since the introduction of recorded music and broadcasting. These styles include ragtime, blues, jazz, rock, R & B, doo wop, gospel, soul, funk, heavy metal, punk, disco, house, techno, salsa, grunge and hip hop, and numerous, less familiar regional styles, such as zydeco, klezmer and slack-key. The genius of these styles lies in their supple, energetic rhythms, their appealing vocal lines, and in many cases their symbolic associations with the plight of the underprivileged.

Tony 05:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Lead section recommends three paragraphs for an article of this size. If you really think the second paragraph should be removed, I could live with that, but the lead should be a concise summary of the rest of the article. So I think it's important to give a broad introduction to the field. Tuf-Kat 05:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, but I'd recommend chucking the second and third. Let me read the article again. Is the last sentence of the proposed first para OK (I just conjured it up, wondering whether it's correct).Tony 06:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I squished together the last two paragraphs into one, removed the second and added a slightly revised sentence -- I thought it was POV, but decided it works if "genius" is switched to "appeal". Tuf-Kat 06:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The first sentence doesn`t make sense..American popular music " had " influenced ... ? It may just be a typo but if it`s not it needs to be backed up with a timeframe related to exactly when American music started and stopped being influential..this seems like an obvious mistake..the word should be changed to has shouldn`t it? 24.177.239.215 (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Christian contemporary

"Grant would later produce CCM's first #1 pop hit ("Baby Baby"), and CCM's best-selling album (Heart In Motion)."

I remember that when "Baby Baby" came out, there was quite a stink in the CCM community. Is this really considered a CCM song? There are no lyrics that refer to anything religious. On a related note, the new additions to the article need to be sourced; this is a FA candidate, and it can't stand for just random additions at this point. BrianSmithson 11:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC) --Tuf-Kat 02:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem

This article suffers from being based on the premise that "the roots of popular American music lie in the early 20th century." In fact, American popular music of the 20th century derives in a straight line from that of the 19th century. I've tried to tweak things here and there, but the article is so unbalanced and shows such a lack of awareness of many major trends in American popular music that mere tweaking doesn't help much. A secondary problem is that the article is almost exclusively concerned with recorded music.

Present-Day?

The last subject says Present day, but doesn't reference much at all about like 2002-2007, which has different popular music than grunge. mostly rap/hip-hop i would say but someone more educated on the subject should add in stuff about how rap has been the favorite of most people followed by like emo/power pop/punk (fall out boy, panic at the disco, cute is what we aim for, motion city soundtrack)

GA On hold

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If issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it will be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards, T Rex | talk 23:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The image was removed by me, so the article keeps its GA status. T Rex | talk 18:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Smaller font for references

Is it possible to put smaller font for references?--Vojvodaen (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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References/notes need cleanup

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Edward T. "Eddie" King

Contrary to statements introduced in several 25 October 2010 edits of the article for which this is the discussion page, Edward T. King and Eddie King are indeed one and the same person. Furthermore, King left The Victor Talking Machine Company in 1926, two years before it became RCA Victor, so he was not an "RCA Victor" A&R executive.

According to Gracyk, after having been with Columbia, King joined Zon-o-phone in 1905 and became Zon-o-phone's A&R manager and musical director of performances and then "began to work regularly in Victor's New York studio after Victor stopped the operation of its Zon-o-phone subsidiary in 1912."

About mid-1915, King, manager of Victor's Foreign Department at the time, hired Nathaniel Shilkret to work for him as conductor and arranger at Victor, and, in his autobiography, Shilkret lists the Victor Talking Machine A&R committee as consisting of Harry MacDonugh (chairman), Eddie King, Shilkret, R. P. Wielage, Porter, and Davis. Shilkret cites King as the A&R man responsible for bringing Kate Smith to Victor.

King left Victor at the end of 1926 to go back to Columbia, and his position as Victor's Director of Light Music was filled by Shilkret.Niel Shell (talk) 18:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC), grandson and archivist of Nathaniel Shilkret

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This the first time I've ever commented on a Wiki article. I'm a non-technical person interested in greater appreciation of the popular music that I listen to. Although it is over my head I'm happy with both the names of artists and the technical description of the various styles. What is missing for me, which really weakens the article examples of songs which I can listen to which illustrate musically in sound what Wiki says in words. A typical example of the section "1950s and 60s" my way would devote as much space to names of songs that best illustrate the topic as is now done for names of articles and description of music technical devices. Three pronged, not two. This song addition could either be within the section, or better still in a list of songs for all the sections as a section of its own at the end. That way I could listen to each song in turn while reading the section again. Briefly annoted would be nice as to why pick this song, what is in the song that makes it fit the section description.

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Good article

This article does an excellent job of treating a complex subject in a reasonable amount of space, hitting a lot of important points, and without getting bogged down in endless minutiae (like the 100 different varieties of Metal, for example...).

It also illustrates the arch-like progression of the history of popular music over the 20th century: simple roots with a few predominant styles; innovation and new developments every 10-15 years or so; the explosion of innovation in the 1950s-1970s; and the tapering off back to a few predominant styles in recent decades.

Might be worth mentioning something about this progression in the article. Surely by now someone has written on the topic, so as to avoid the "original research" bugaboo? 70.89.176.249 (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

American popular music

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Result: Delisted -- Clear consensus the article is far from meeting the GA criteria. Femke (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

43 citation needed tags by my count. Needs a lot of improvement to sourcing to stay a good article. (t · c) buidhe 13:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delist Deficiently sourced article for its length; for the Popular jazz and swing section, four paragraphs are devoid of a single ref. I am nebulous on the ref style; one of the external links (http://www.americanmusicpreservation.com/songs.htm) is extremely poor. Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 22:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delist per WP:GAFAIL #3. Needs significant work to remain a GA. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge

It has been proposed that American pop be merged into this article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:51, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support. There is nothing at American pop that cannot be covered better in this, much longer, article. The two cover the same topic - the shorter article should redirect here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:51, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 10:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music

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