Talk:Angus Barbieri's fast

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guiness isn't a reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.200.91 (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Source material?

Where did the ID of Angus Barbieri come from? I searched the Scotish registry and they have no record of an Angus Barbieri nor any Barbieri that matches the dates given. see https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/advanced-search#{%22category%22:%22statutory%22,%22record%22:%22statutory-deaths%22} — Preceding unsigned comment added by DkcOhio (talk • contribs) 22:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Look under the name Agostino, He married Mary Ann F Gentle in 1971 and had a son FRASER JAMES J BARBIERI in Warwick 1976. https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=256729951:3720&d=bmd_1669206295 5.133.47.240 (talk) 21:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't he also have the record for fastest weight loss of that quantity? Drsruli (talk) 03:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

records are a different universe. to have an official record someone would have had to register it and check etc. lots of real life records are official records Jazi Zilber (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Guinness says that he has the record, though. A websearch finds other sources with similar. Drsruli (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Drsruli what source exactly are you consulting? Link, page number? It has to be WP:Verifiable to add to the article. (t · c) buidhe 04:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that originally there were two articles, one for the person, and one for his fast, and that they were merged. Sources may be found in the history for this article, where this factoid used to be located. (Indeed, this article still results at the top of web search for "fastest weight loss".) (It is also possible that he had the record AT THE TIME, and that it has since been broken.) Drsruli (talk) 05:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help me translate this page into Russian? Also, is the veracity of this article in dispute? Aorliche (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

What was his cause of death?

Was it related to his weight loss? 2603:9000:8500:582B:6C:E12B:9C73:5D90 (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Error in source.

The THE COURIER - Evening Telegraph reference does not jibe with the original Postgrad Med J. 1973 article "Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration" regarding end date and duration. They are simply reprinting the image of the original newspaper headline with the 392 typo. The original published research article clearly shows the fast ended June 30, 1966 with a duration of 382 days and is more credible.

Also, I can find not a reference to the claim "although he occasionally consumed small amounts of milk and/or sugar with the beverages in section The Fast.

I want to clean up those inconsistencies. Any comments? Liberato (talk) 05:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Very interesting! I never knew why there were two numbers for his fast length. So you think that when the article says the fast ended July 11, 1966, that was simply a Wikipedian counting from June 14, 1965, and they were using the erroneous number 392? Now that I look, I can't find any other source that gives 392 as the number, and in fact the Guinness record says 382: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/78789-longest-survival-without-food . I had previously added the note about the Journal using a different length for his fast without realizing that the old Evening Telegraph article might be the only place anyone wrote 392 originally, which means it is likely a typo. It seems that you would be totally entitled to change the article to consistently say "382". --Iritscen (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Revisiting this because I've just realized something very important and believe that the mystery of the two lengths for the fast is now solved: they are both correct! The medical paper which I consider to be the most authoritative source on this fast is very specific about the dates of his fast: June 14, 1965 through June 30, 1966, which is 382 days. Guinness followed the doctors when they recorded the diet as being 382 days. So why did the news story say 392 days? The contemporary article in The Evening Telegraph is dated July 11, 1966 and says "Two weeks ago doctors decided he was slim enough and put him on a salt diet. Last week he was given sugar. At 10 this morning, Angus's first meal was set down before him." So the full-on diet did end after 382 days, but then doctors spent several days ramping him up to be able to eat his first meal. They did this for 10 days: July 1st through the 10th. The newspaper was not being unreasonable to describe his diet as lasting 392 days, because Angus didn't have his first solid food until July 11. However his fast was medically considered to have ended on July 1 when the transition out of the fast began. I will be updating the article accordingly. --Iritscen (talk) 23:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)