Talk:Annales school

Correspondence from Dr Boh Hrees

While working on the Wikipedia Help Desk, I received the following correspondence from Dr Boh Hrees.

Your article on the "Annales School", which I've now read, is rather limited, and perhaps misleading in terms of the importance and influence of "Annales History". If you or someone else is interested, the article at the following link should prove interesting reading.

http://www.strath.ac.uk/Departments/History/s_adams/annales.htm Fernand Braudel and the Annales School by David Moon

In addition, books on structuralism, poststructuralism, and postmoderism seem to indicate that the "Annales School" is more significant than your article indicates.

Capitalistroadster 16:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

the link to David Moon's article no longer points to a valid web page. I am removing it. Dw5 (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Quote "foam on the waves of history..."

This article really needs to be fleshed out. Come on, there's got to be a bored grad student with time on their hands who wants to enlighten everyone about historiography!

Aside from the low amount of actual information in this article, which could be a lot stronger on the major field of historiography, I think that it would be good to include the quote by I think Braudel that likens small scale events or politics to "foam" on the waves of history or time. I regretfully can't remember where this quote comes from, but it is a pretty good one for this topic. Now, go forth wikipedians and find this renegade quote! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.64.230 (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually my friend, you'll find the quote in the 1946 preface to Braudel's 'The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II', Vol. I. His introduction is a particularly good source of information on attitudes of the second-generation Annalistes. You are wrong in referring to 'small events' in the way that you do - Braudel is speaking of including a particular kind of traditional historical narrative which concentrates on the actions of individual men, something he considers as only part of a wider historical treatment. For your delectation, here is the full quote, leading on from a tripartite description of the book structure: 'Lastly, the third part gives a hearing to traditional history - history, one might say, on the scale not of man, but of individual men, what Paul Lacombe and Francois Simiand called 'l'histoire evenementielle', that is, the history of events: surface disturbances, crests of foam that the tides of history carry on their strong backs. A history of brief, rapid, nervous fluctuations, by definition ultra-sensitive; the least tremor sets all its antennae quivering. But as such it is the most exciting of all, the richest in human interest, and also the most dangerous...' Regards from the Ivory Towers.--129.67.120.132 (talk) 17:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

If Braudel were alive today, maybe he would have compared history to the Beijing National Aquatics Centre, which has foam on the outside.81.158.185.55 (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I have a small amount of material on this subject and can try and flesh the article out a little soon. I am mainly putting this here as a reminder to myself. Brilliantine (talk) 20:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I am reminding myself that I reminded myself. Unfortunately my to-do list is rather large, and mostly doesn't involve the internet. Brilliantine (talk) 10:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

To remind myself of another thing: I have a couple of translated Le Roy Ladurie essays that I don't currently see in the references or in the general bibliography. One at least is a very good summary. Brilliantine (talk) 10:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I am a current Oxford undergraduate, and will heavily edit this article over Christmas. Hopefully others will help. A the moment this is an awful treatment of a very important school of historical thought, and will only help the most cursory reader. --129.67.120.132 (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

A page for the journal

I have started - spun off - a page for the journal itself (Annales d'histoire économique et sociale). Hope that is OK. Best wishes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msrasnw (talk • contribs) 12:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Wallerstein, Braudel Center, Sociology

I'm surprised to see no reference here yet to the influence of the Annales School on Immanuel Wallerstein, World-systems theory, and sociology more generally. The Braudel Center at Binghamton University is but one manifestation of this influence. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 08:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I would agree. I think the article's initial framing of the relationship between Marxism and the Annales school is misleading, and that this might account for (or be symptomatic of) the absence of Wallerstein. I wonder if one could correct this without going into too much detail about French intellectual life in this period, and the split between the Stalinist identified left and people like Foucault, whose relationship to Marxism is admittedly complex. I would also question more generally the conclusion that US scholars were not influenced by the Annales school. Dominick LaCapra? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.132.21 (talk) 02:40, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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