Talk:Anne Perry

Book Spoilers

I believe it is inappropriate to detail the eventual marriages of Perry's lead characters in the introduction to her book series. While I may have suspected as much after reading the first William Monk book, I do not appreciate being told that this will happen. Likewise with the Pitt books.

Such information especially does not seem to be necessary when providing a mere sentence-long description of the series. Watermac (talk) 23:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Untitled

The ground glass used as an instrument of murder in one nove would not necessarily have worked: granuals large enough to cause damage would be noticeable to the person consuming them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.1.1 (talk) 17:49, 16 February 2005 (UTC)

New Name Disclosure

Is her new name widely known? I find it surprising to find it here. Her website does not speak of what she did so she obviously doesn't want this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.223.115.170 (talk) 02:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

?

Is there a reason the fact that she is a lesbian and that Pauline Parker was her girlfriend? That's why the mother didn't want them going to South Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.119.42 (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

There's no evidence to support that contention, and Hulme/Perry has long denied any romantic relationship between herself and Parker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.2.8 (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

In the film there was a scene where one of the girls was diagnosed by a doctor as being a lesbian, did that really happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tantrums (talk • contribs) 11:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Such diagnoses were not lightly given outside of hasty courtroom considerations. I doubt our subject has ever been gay as Anne Parker has denied any homosexual experience even in the day of relative sexual liberty. Furthermore, sexual expression of close friendship in ones mid-teens was rare for three reasons: romance of heroic and ideal men was seen as a target, lesbian romance might not occur to anyone who never heard of such a thing, and accidental sexual exploration would be so very difficult to concieve of since bedding friends would likely keep even a small distance out of cultural habit. This is what is often said about the situation, at least. Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.148.189 (talk) 03:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Revision

I've revised the section on the crime itself and Juliet's backstory, based on the lengthy story on the murder at crimelibrary.com. The previous version of the page contradicted a lot of what I found over at Crimelibrary; I assume the latter site is more accurate. | Keithlaw 22:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:14, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why would you do that when Anne Perry has said she is not a lesbian? Wishful thinking doesn't make it so, and the lady herself says it isn't so. Jake b 02:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

She also says that her and Pauline's fantasy world was a complete invention of the writers of the film Heavenly Creatures, even though those elements are directly based on Pauline's diaries. Clearly there is a degree of amnesia she has over the obvious stressful event and the things that lead up to it. Now I personally don't get the impression that their relationship wasn sexual in a conventional sense either, but I also don't think we should take only Perry's word on the matter to the exclusion of the suggestive passages in the diaries. --Krsont 17:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed unsourced material and speculation about whether the relationship was sexual. Perry's denial can be re-inserted if a source is added.-gadfium 00:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Anne Perry's Books

I logged on to this site to get a comprehensive list of the books she has written, instead I get an old story and as usual nowdays a hint or fact of sexuallity neither of which I care about. I think her books are terrfic and so enjoy reading them. Sally Gawne FL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.126.142 (talk) 23:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a biographical article about someone who has had a rather more interesting life than most. We would be remiss in not dealing with the earlier parts of it. However, you are welcome to expand the part of the article dealing with her writing.-gadfium 00:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Biographical entry is a comprehensive informative exposition of an individual's life. This entry meets those general requirements. If information is lacking, the ability to add whatever is needed is available for interested parties to do so. A full list, time line, of Perry's writing is useful and should be included. Betempte (talk) 21:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

The Court Room Picture

It might be more suitable to give her age or the year of the photo rather than mention the trial unduly, as this makes the trial seem more important than her literary work. Anne Perry is not best known for her youthful mistake but rather for her detective stories. If there are no objections I will redact the title of the photo to "Anne Perry in teen years". Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.148.189 (talk) 03:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

She is quite cleary better known for one of the most infamous murders of the 20th century then for writing mediocre novels! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.182.119 (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Sexuality

Isn't it commonly suggested that there was a lesbian element to the murder case? --MacRusgail (talk) 17:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

There was certainly such speculation, and it's covered in Parker–Hulme murder. Perry has said that the relationship was not lesbian. I see no need to cover it again here.-gadfium 21:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Plot devices

... are not always plausible, and psychology does not necessarily reflect the Victorian worldview. (Giving examples would provide plot-spoilers) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.68 (talk) 13:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• Please give examples - never mind spoilers here - with cites if poss. I found "Half Moon Street" internally consistent and in line with what little I know of late Victorian morality. NPOV, of course! — Preceding unsigned comment added by D A Patriarche (talk • contribs) 19:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Murder

Does her crime and conviction really need to be in the article's intro? It seems unfair to define her by that, seeing as she was 15 when the crime happened and she served a sentence for it and was reformed. (I'm not trying to excuse the crime, just put it in context.) The intro to boxing promoter Don King's article, for instance, doesn't mention his murder of an employee. --JackHeslop91 (talk) 23:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I came about this just now, as here's King description as of now: "Donald King (born August 20, 1931) is an American boxing promoter known for his involvement in historic boxing matchups. He has been a controversial figure, partly due to a manslaughter conviction (later pardoned), and civil cases against him." - honestly I feel that the fact that she literally murdered someone should be right there up front if not by going further by putting "convicted murderer" before writer. Wikidude10000 (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Style & Content

The article as it stands (2014-10-30) is heavily weighted toward the sensational aspects of Hulme's life, rather than Perry's literary creations. I would like to see a section on style & content (e.g. see Plot Devices above), perhaps comparing her with other historical whodunit writers, as I find her comments on late Victorian morality in "Half Moon Street" internally consistent, and the style is interesting, relying extensively on internal dialogue for character development. She is a good writer IMHO, judging by "Half Moon Street", and deserves more attention to her auctorial skills (or failings). I am not familiar with enough of her books to undertake this (though I could probably put in a stub), but maybe someone else might??? D A Patriarche, BSc (talk) (talk) 19:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The place to start with this is finding reliable sources with in depth coverage of these aspects of her life. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed split of article

The bibliography section of this biography is extensive. Is it time to split the article? As in the example of Tom Clancy and Tom Clancy bibliography? MurielMary (talk) 03:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

The article overall is not large (it is significantly smaller than the article on Clancy without a bibliography), and the bibliography is unlikely to grow much further, so I don't see the need.-gadfium 03:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@MurielMary She's definitely prolific! I don't have a strong view either way, but great work on the bibliography. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)