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Hey @Acroterion if this is true, then I suggest you may have a lot of work to do, removing controversies sections from living people articles. They are all over the place. Can we have either some fairness or if we can’t have that, at least an acknowledgement of bias? 107.77.203.110 (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Muboshguare you saying here that these are not allowed any more and there’s an objective standard whereby they are being systematically removed? Or is it a convoluted series of rules that lends itself to bias/suggestions of bias? 107.77.203.110 (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Feel free to add the content inline into the sections. The policy only means that we dont create whole controversy sections normally, but you could name the section something more specific as well. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Misinformation
Latest comment: 6 months ago9 comments5 people in discussion
In articles concerning people like Steve Kirsch and Joseph Lapado the word "misinformation" with respect to COVID/vaccines comes up very frequently. Conservatives often argue that Wikipedia is biased, but I think this is a great opportunity to show that Wikipedia remains neutral. We need to make it clear that Anthony Fauci is a regular purveyor of COVID/vaccine misinformation.
- He said the vaccine is safe & effective. In fact, the recent NIH study showed that there are 2-7x increases in blood and heart conditions depending on the vaccine taken.
There is no doubt Fauci's heart was in the right place, and ultimately I do believe the vaccine is a miracle of mankind. But he needs to be called out as a purveyor of misinformation, just like the anti-vaccine crowd regularly is. 2601:47:4783:1320:41D6:8E37:9F54:50B6 (talk) 05:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
1. I did not misread the conclusions of the NIH study. The numbers are accurate. In fact, the headline from the very article you sent me agrees: "A new study confirmed a slightly increased risk of several conditions following COVID-19 vaccination." In fact, I would argue THAT is a misreading of the NIH study, which does indeed show that the vaccine multiplies the chances for several health issues. However, since some of those health issues only occurred 1 in 100K people, showing that the vaccine created issues for 2 or 3 in 100K people is called a "slightly increased risk". It is not slight on a percentage basis.
2. The implication of a "dead end" is that the person cannot spread it. Thus, the community (some of which is unvaccinated) will have a significantly lower rate of infection. I don't see what part of that lengthy quote shows he believed vaccinated people could still spread it. 2601:47:4783:1320:4DAD:7736:1409:3B19 (talk) 16:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
(1) Rare increases that they do not conclude are the result of the vaccine do not demonstrate that the vaccine is unsafe.
(2) Never did he say that vaccinated people cannot spread it, as far as I am aware. He said that the more people are vaccinated, the less it will spread. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
The OP's premise is a BLP violation. I've removed it once before. Since it was restored and replied to, I'll leave it here for now. The OP is warned for defamation, however carefully couched. Read the 3 CT notices at the top of this talkpage. Acroterion(talk)17:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Read WP:RS, then WP:OR and especially WP:SYNTH. We have reliable sources saying that Kirsch and Ladapo are spreading misinformation. We do not have such sources about Fauci, we only have your conclusions. People have refuted those conclusions, but that is not necessary for the purpose of this page. We cannot use your conclusions in any case. --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
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