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Latest comment: 20 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion
@Kapitankapow Re. changes, I made changes to improve the encyclopaedic tone of the page. The issues with the "Jewish deicide" section in particular are:
There is no reason to link to the definitions of ordinary English words like "tumult" or "multitude" or "ye".
Jewish deicide was not "legitimised" by Chrysostom, whatever that means, but as the sources quoted say, he was heavily antisemitic and popularised the claim, allegedly first using the term "deicide".
It is not encyclopaedic to term opponents as "radical traditionalists" as this is editorialising. The SPLC is not an unbiased source so directly adopting "radical" is inappropriate.[1] "Rad trads" is also inappropriate.
Claims of the Temple Menorah being hidden in the Vatican are irrelevant to claims of deicide.
Claiming subreddits are filled with "rad trads" is not encyclopaedic and is probably original research.
"Peddling" is editorialising. Furthermore, the things "peddled" (also citing SPLC) are mostly irrelevant to the claims of Jewish deicide. E.g. Adolf Hitler being the end-result of a Freemason plot?
Downplaying the effects of the Inquisition or denying its scale by the Vatican and Catholics is irrelevant to claims of Jewish deicide.
Exaggerating the role of Catholics in saving Jews during WWII is irrelevant to claims of Jewish deicide.
There is a failure to address any non-Roman Catholic perspectives.
What does that mean? This article could not be usefully merged with any other. It's for narratives which keep on being revived again and again time after time, no matter how effectively they've been refuted, or how little basis in fact they have. (This was clearer under the article's previous name.) AnonMoos (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
This page is about improving the article Antisemitic trope. Just as AnonMoos, I do not know what you mean by "this entry" being "under Trope", but maybe you want to improve the articles Trope, Libel, Canard, or Anti-semitism instead by linking to this article? It would be helpful if you learn the terms used by Wikipedia, such as "article", so people understand what you mean. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 14 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion
The last lines of the main section read: "The most recent example is the denial or trivialization of the October 7 massacres, with the victims overwhelmingly Jewish, including several Holocaust survivors."
I would change this to: "The most recent example is the denial or trivialization of the October 7 massacres, with the victims overwhelmingly Jewish."
Indeed, the fact that many victims were Holocaust survivors is irrelevant to the denial or trivialisation of October 7th atrocities.
Latest comment: 13 days ago3 comments3 people in discussion
It's a bit disconcerting to read in the main section that "These tropes fatefully formed Adolf Hitler's worldview, caused WWII". Of course antisemitism was the base for the Holocaust but and instrumental for the rise of the Nazi party but nobody has ever argued that it caused WWII. ContiNuziali (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Doctrines of Lebensraum and Slavic Untermenschen, and a desire to get revenge on the French were most important in determining Hitler's aggressive policies which led to war. Once the war started, antisemitism had a big influence on how conquered territories were governed. AnonMoos (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
What you said isn't expressed by the passage at all though and still, I don't think any historian ever claimed that "these tropes causes WWII". I'd say it's even hard to argue that they caused in part WWII. 151.29.93.237 (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
