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Requested move 8 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Graded School. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 22:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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Associação Escola Graduada de São Paulo → Graded - The American School of São Paulo – even though "Associação Escola Graduada de São Paulo" is the school's legal name on paper, because it is a school in Brazil, the school's official name is "Graded - The American School of São Paulo" - in English - because it is an American school. Fabiograded (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Fabiograded and 162 etc.: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• How about Graded School, per WP:CONCISE and WP:UE? 162 etc. (talk) 18:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as excessively lengthy and stilted for a common name (and also using a hyphen instead of an em dash). Consider Graded School per 162 etc. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. Graded School or Graded (school) would be better. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Move to Graded School (or else change the article which currently explicitly says that this is the common name). Andrewa (talk) 02:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Can those who prefer the proposed names, either "Graded - The American School of São Paulo" or "Graded School", provide some evidence (any evidence) that is the WP:COMMONNAME? Pinging previous responses @Fabiograded:, @162 etc.:, @BarrelProof:, @Necrothesp:, @Andrewa:.VR _talk 01:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Well, here's what I could easily find. The school refers to itself primarily as simply "Graded". It uses that name very very many times on its websites (https://www.graded.br/ and https://graded100.com/), and the reason for this is clear – like I said before, the longer name is excessively lengthy and stilted, so no one would use it repeatedly in running text – not even the school itself. The school's logo contains the subtitle, but the word "Graded" is in huge font and the subtitle is in a very very tiny font below it (often in a different color, so small that the whole phrase is less that the width of the word "Graded" above it). The school's Facebook page uses "Graded School". The U.S. Department of State's fact sheet from the Office of Overseas Schools also uses just "Graded" primarily. The school's website address is simply "graded.br". Their job posting for an athletic director says the school is "better known" as "Graded", and primarily calls it that. Their alumni Facebook page is entitled Graded Alumni. Practically everything I found is written completly in English, and practically none of it uses "Associação Escola Graduada de São Paulo" at all. I couldn't find any of what looked like real coverage in independent reliable sources other than the U.S. Department of State. So I suggest "Graded (school)" or "Graded School". The Wikipedia article already says it is "most commonly referred to" by these names. I think I personally lean a little bit toward "Graded (school)", because "Graded" is clearly used primarily without "School" explicitly attached. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm quite OK with Graded (school), I see your point. Andrewa (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I referred to the article itself, and made my !vote conditional on the article not being changed in this respect. I should have been more explicit... The article badly needs work, and is already flagged as such. The claim in the article that the school is most commonly referred to as Graded School or Graded is unreferenced, but so is the entire article. The References section is completely empty. The only link in the External links section is to the school's own website, a primary source. So the current version of the article is arguably a deletable sub-stub, in that if we delete all unreferenced material there is nothing left. That one external link does use this logo, so perhaps that's the source of the claim that Graded is the common name. And it's likely to be true but is of course unreferenced. (That logo image should be uploaded to en.wikipedia under a fair use rationale, and incorporated into the article.) A Google search on Graded American school Sao Paulo gives me only primary sources or likely ones, the best on the first few pages of ghits is probably this one. But a search on Associação Escola Graduada de São Paulo gives only the same pages... most of them saying or implying that Graded is the English name. I do not propose deletion, I think the article is well worth saving. The logo and some more external links, even if primary sources, would be a start. Andrewa (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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