Talk:Spark Arena

Untitled

This needs to be edited as Vector Arena is completed built, and its first major event, 'Supernova' has passed.

Rugby World Cup

Any assertation that Vector Arena was not considered as a host site for the 2011 Rugby World Cup due to the seating capacity is ridiculous. If the Rugby World Cup has to be mentioned in relation to the Arena, it must be stated that the reasons for its validation are because of the floor sdize, NOT the seating capacity. After all, even if the capacity WAS enough for a World Cup match, the IRB still wouldn't allow it to be played there for the simple reason that Vector Arena cannot fit a pitch big enough for the sport. Gialloneri (talk) 01:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool down. Cheers. Ingolfson (talk) 07:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I acted out of frustration, I should have just calmly adjusted it. My apologies.; Gialloneri (talk) 01:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

List of Hosted Events

From User talk:Nzhamstar:

Hello Nzhamstar - you recently added a table to the Vector Arena for the events that have occured there. I am concerned that this will soon blow totally out of size, end up pretty much unreferenced, and provide only a small benefit. Consider how such a table would look like once the arena has existed for some years - it would totally dwarf the article. I hold that we should only list events there if they are IN THEMSELVES notable (i.e. if there is/could be an article about the SPECIFIC show/game, not the band / sports group itself). That would allow a more manageable list. What do you think? Ingolfson (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

That is a good idea dude, copied this to the talk page of Vector Arena --Nzhamstar (talk) 14:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Uhm - so are you okay with removing the table for now? The opening concert - the only one which is notable so far (because it was the opening concert!) - is already in the text body and has a reference. Ingolfson (talk) 16:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

This ever expanding list of concerts at Vector is in the article. Any objection to deleteing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KDMP (talk • contribs) 07:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved per WP:COMMONNAME. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 03:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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Auckland City Arena → Spark Arena – Per WP:COMMONNAME: the arena is known as Spark Arena; it was only known as Auckland City Arena during construction. For example, a Google News search for "Auckland City Arena" returns 1 result (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Spark%20Arena%22&tbm=nws, whereas "Spark Arena" returns 7570 (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Auckland%20City%20Arena%22&tbm=nws). Also look at this Google Trends comparison: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Spark%20Arena,Auckland%20City%20Arena. Ollieinc (talk) 08:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. As per my comments on the Spark Arena talk page, Spark Arena is its commercial name which aren't to be used unless there is no alternative. There is a discussion from 2007 about this here which discusses about how commercial names aren't a good idea for article names due to the lack of corporate neutrality of them. As I also mentioned on the other talk page, this isn't the first time a naming situation like this has happened with many stadiums prior opting for the netural name despite it not being commonly used (see this link for the Google Trends comparison for Sydney Super Dome vs Qudos Bank Arena, with the name used for the article not being overly used in articles for well over a decade). If there is a more regularly used neutral name for the arena than I agree that it should be moved under WP:COMMONNAME, however no such name seems to exist. DylanI00 (talk) 14:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

You mentioned the "WP stadiums policy" when you changed the name from 'Spark Arena' to 'Auckland City Arena' on 3 May 2020. I've searched for that policy and haven't found it yet - can you provide a link to it please so that we can weigh it up against other naming policies. Nurg (talk) 11:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The links to the policies appear to have been removed or replaced with redirects to other WikiProjects, both the one I referenced and the ones referenced in other similar discussions (which I'm a bit surprised about given most stadiums have had lengthy discussions about this topic, but no guidelines seem to currently exist). Whilst not based on policies, I'll point towards a couple other discussions regarding commercial name vs non-commercial name: discussion 1, discussion 2 and discussion 3. These all more or less agree that unless there is no alternative, the article itself should be named by it's non-commercial name with redirects created for the commercial names. DylanI00 (talk) 13:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Spark Arena is far more consistent with WP:COMMONNAME and similar to other arenas in New Zealand, such as TSB Bank Arena and Horncastle Arena. Turnagra (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We shouldn't be using commercial names, they can be mentioned in the lede and sure have a redirect for Spark Arena to the page but I don't agree that it should be the actual name of the page. Look at Wellington Regional Stadium instead of previous WestpacTrust, Westpac and now Sky Stadium. North Harbour Stadium instead of QBE Stadium, Lancaster Park instead of Jade Stadium, then AMI stadium before its gone back to Lancaster and lastly Waikato Stadium even though its commonly called FMG Stadium. Also as per DylanI00 pointed out, same happens in Australia with their stadiums. I do a few of the football articles because of the A-League and the stadiums there are their neutral names and then you pipe it to the commercial name. Stadium Australia for ANZ Stadium, Docklands Stadium for Telstra Dome/Marvel Stadium, Lang Park instead of Suncorp Stadium. To also answer the point about searching for the name in reliable sources, of course you are going to find very little in newspapers of these names. That is what sponsors are paying for, their name appearing in the papers/online every time something is written about the stadium. Like sometimes Wellington Regional Stadium has been called The Cake Tin and Ring of Fire but I wouldn't expect those names to be used either just because they have been used in sources. NZFC^(talk)(cont) 22:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Commercialism and recentism. The many hits for "Spark Arena" reflect the promotional activities for the events as contracted to the stadium sponsor Spark New Zealand. The evidence is all promotional sources, and derivative reports in the commercial media. The formal enduring name is "Auckland City Arena". Sponsor names come and go. Previously it was "Vector Arena". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Where are you getting that from? The many hits seem to be general news stories -- from concerts and events to pandemic related closures -- not "promotional activities." And news results for the current title bring up, well, pretty much nothing.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Is it unfortunate that names for important venues are pretty much always sponsored? Sure. But it is overwhelmingly and clearly the commonly used and most recognizable name for the subject. There is no policy based rationale for choosing not to use a name that otherwise meets all titling requirements and to intentionally use an unused, uncommon name that is inconsistent with sources. It would be one thing if the name hadn't caught on, but that is very clearly not the case.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Separately, given that this page existed at the proposed title for three years until a bold but undiscussed move (citing a nonexistent WP stadiums policy) a few months back, I'd suggest that a no consensus outcome means this should return to the stable title.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• And at Vector Arena, the previous sponsored name, for the prior 11 years. Ollieinc (talk) 05:12, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Per Wikipedia:Article titles, including WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and WP:COMMONNAME. It is very well known as Spark Arena and very few people know it as Auckland City Arena. I don't notice anything at 'Wikipedia:Article titles' that says a sponsored name should not be used. "Auckland City Arena" fails by a long shot to meet the Recognizability criteria. I also agree with Yaksar that if this discussion becomes stalemated, there should be a return to the status quo ante the May 2020 page move, which seems to have gone largely unnoticed at the time – I have no problem with the page having been boldly moved without discussion, but now that it's being discussed, I think there needs to be a consensus to keep it at its current name as much as a consensus to move it back. Nurg (talk) 09:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)