Talk:Austro-Hungarian krone
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1000 Kronen
editThe 'banknotes' page shows the two sides of the 1000 Kronen banknote, one Hungarian and one Austrian, however I have on several occasions seen banknotes with both sides in German, usually stamped with 'Deutschösterreich", and I've seen ones with a completely different pattern on the back (on top half: two close-up's of the front-side's woman's face on both sides with the words "1000 TAUSEND 1000" in a decorative pattern in the middle, bottom half is four decorative triangles and the number 1000 in centre). What do we make of these? Were they official, were they issued before, during or after the war? Fakes? Should we include a note? Overall I think the 'banknotes' page could use some more expert attention. +Hexagon1 (t) 07:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- The banknotes you mentioned (respectively Pick Austria P-59, P-60 and P-61, the latter is the second edition of P-60, see here) were issued by the Austro-Hungarian Bank after the war and were legal tender only on the territory of Deutschösterreich (today's Austria), thus they are not Austro-Hungarian Banknotes. They should be included in the to be created Austrian Krone article. Timur lenk (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Even though they were valid only in German Austria doesn't mean they were a new currency, they still had equal exchange rate with all the others and were simply territorialised AuH banknotes and weren't affected by the overstamping state's fiscal policies. (As I understand it anyway, I'm probably wrong though) +Hexagon1 (t) 04:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- "they still had equal exchange rate with all the others" - this statement is not true. After the world war the dissolution of the A-H Monarchy started immediately and the A-H Bank lose control over the monetary (not to mention fiscal) policy outside Deutschösterreich. The overstamped banknotes became new currencies, their validity was limited to the overstamping country's territory, their exchange was limited and they did not have equal value. Overstamping did not happen at the same time in the different parts of the ex-Monarchy, and after a period un-overstamped banknotes were not accepted in general circulation nor for overstamping. This meant that un-overstamped banknotes flew to the country which had overstamped its banknotes last - in the case, Hungary. This hit Hungary's economy substantionally, the influx of the common currency and the efflux of goods caused much more severe inflation and economic crisis than anywhere else. It is obvious that the interest of the newborn states was to limit the circulation of the money as soon as possible to avoid such effect.
- Parallel to this, when Czechoslovakia splitted, overstamped banknotes were used until the introduction of the new Czech and Slovak banknotes. However, the circulation of overstamped banknotes was territorially limited, and the 1:1 exchange rate of the two korunas started to change immediately. Timur lenk (talk) 11:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- Even though they were valid only in German Austria doesn't mean they were a new currency, they still had equal exchange rate with all the others and were simply territorialised AuH banknotes and weren't affected by the overstamping state's fiscal policies. (As I understand it anyway, I'm probably wrong though) +Hexagon1 (t) 04:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Revalutation
editDoes anyone know how much are in today Euros, 67.000.000 krone of 1912? --Nicola Romani (talk) 15:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- One Crown was about 3€, but it's hard to compare due to Inflation and currency reforms.--Glorfindel Goldscheitel (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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Requested move 24 December 2022
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Procedural move.. Run for 14 days, no opposition. Taking it as a reversion of a recent undiscussed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Austro-Hungarian crown → Austro-Hungarian krone – In September, an editor moved our article on this Austro-Hungarian currency from "Austro-Hungarian krone" to "... crown", arguing that the latter is the neutral nomenclature, common in English, which does not favour the language of either part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
However, I think that such a subjective reason does not override the importance of a stable title, and therefore ask that the stable title of "Austro-Hungarian krone" be restored, unless there are reliable sources which establish "krone crown" as the dominant English-language name.
To be fair, I distinctly remember "crown" being more dominant in Ngram, but I would still appreciate more reliable sources before we keep it at "crown". Thank you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 01:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 05:15, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Edited since I mixed up the krone and its predecessor, the gulden. Thanks, NotReallySoroka (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)