Talk:BBC Two 1991–2001 idents

Cleanup

I added the cleanup tag to this article after the nomination of a number of similar articles due to WP:FAIR concerns. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ITV Idents and Presentation for more information --tgheretford (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use cleanup

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Merge proposal

I have proposed that this article be condensed and merged into the BBC Two section of History of BBC television idents. What do you think? Cloudbound (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I really hope not! I'm so glad that the 1991-2001 idents have their own article and it would be a shame for it to be merged. I respect your opinion, but the 1991-2001 idents were really famous, and i'm happy they have their own article. - even more so seeming i've just added to it.--77.99.231.37 (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the article needs its own seperate page, and all those like it need a seperate page as there simply cant be enough information on one article. They should have their own articleRafmarham (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Splitting 1991-1997 and 1997-2001 era up

I am considering to split the 1991-1997 and 1997-2001 eras up because the article would be too big. I wish for not only idents but also bumpers, stings, etc, where having a seperate article would work better. Presentation sites have the eras in individual pages so why not Wikipedia's?--NGMan62 (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Because this is the same set, just spanning two eras. -- ILikeThemTwos (talk) 08:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

They should be split up because there would be too much information here as I would also like to include like bumpers.--Capsoul (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Non-free images

This article utterly fails WP:NFCC, notably WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8. Could involved editors please decide which images are necessary to the article, and which are decoration. Otherwise the majority of images will be removed. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• This article uses more non-free images than any other article on Wikipedia. This usage level is absolutely extreme. Also, almost all the images are set to 100px; too small to be of any real use within an article that properly uses non-free content. Further, the article itself is seriously lacking in references. 7 of 11 are to youtube, which is discouraged by Wikipedia:External links, and the other 4 are all to an online television museum at www.tv-ark.org.uk. Not the strongest of references by any measure. I'm having a hard time believing this article should even exist, much less contain more non-free images than any other article on Wikipedia. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
  • That's not fair. Articles like this need images. Some do like "List of Presidents of the United States".--Capsoul (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    • That's a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. WP:NFLISTS applies whether it's "fair" or not. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Images for idents?

I feel that a screenshot for all of the idents, bumpers etc should be included into articles so that readers would know how they looked like. Since thumbnails are not allowed on on tables, perhaps we could make a gallery of them or something?--Capsoul (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the way Wikipedia works would mean that all those images, all non free by their very nature, would attract attention and they would be removed. I'm afraid we can onyl get away with an image so people know which presentational package we mean. Any others would be seen as unnescesairy. Rafmarham (talk) 10:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Dubious

I very much doubt the sentece "they have become one of the most popular television idents in history" can be verified or conclusively evidenced. No doubt the editor who wrote this article feels very strongly about these logos, as can be seen from the long, long tables about, well, some logos. but that sentence is going a bit too far even allowing for such obvious passion, no? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 15:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Serious article issues

In September of 2009, this article was tagged as needing additional citations for verification [1]. At the time, it had two references, both of which pointed to tv-ark.org.uk. From that point to January 2011, the number of refs increased to 11. However, 7 of those 11 were to YouTube, and the remaining 4 were to tv-ark.org.uk. I noted this in a posting here on this talk page at the time [2]. As of today, there are now 10 citations. 7 of them remain to YouTube, and 2 to tv-ark.org.uk. Per Wikipedia:External links the use of YouTube as a citation source is problematic for a number of reasons, not least of which is copyright violation problems. All of the YouTube links appear to be copyright violations, and should be stripped immediately from this article. The 2 citations to tv-ark.org.ul are problematic as this is a fansite and per WP:FANSITE should not be used. The remaining citation of the 10 is to lambie-nairn.com. This is a primary source, and while usable isn't very strong. It's also dead from it's original source. Further, the citation supports a single sentence of the article.

In short, this article is 30 pages worth of printable body text and contains 1...just __1__ usable (albeit weak) citation. This issue has been extant for three years and the contributors of this article have done nothing to improve the situation.

In March of this year, this article was tagged as possibly not meeting Wikipedia's notability guideline [3]. Five months later, the tag is still there with nothing being done to address the issue.

I'm posting here to give the contributors to this article another opportunity to improve the article. I'll wait a couple of months, but if nothing is done to improve this situation I will be placing the article for deletion. Thank you for your attention to this matter, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

It's difficult, but the problem lies in the fact that the BBC themselves don't publish information on this subject - they refer to TV Ark. There are few secondary articles on the topic as a whole and by the nature of the topic you don't get secondary sources of the idents - you just provide the video, something that can't be done here. Rafmarham (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsure whether any of these can be used or referenced?

• BBC Logo Story
• BBC Cult BBC2
• Lambie Nairn
• BBC2's distinctive style - BBC News. Rafmarham (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Three of four of those links are primary sources, being from the BBC itself. The last is I believe someone contracted to BBC. These aren't very good I'm afraid. The reality is if there aren't reliable secondary sources on the subject, it's hardly notable. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

• I'll have a look at books about television and branding, may be just a lack of web material. Rafmarham (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• I have found a research book by Catherine Johnson of the University of Nottingham about the subject and will be adding the references soon. On an interesting note, she references TVARK and sees it as a reliable source - I still see it as a good source for the material concerned (not the text but the videos). Rafmarham (talk) 09:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks - this addresses the referencing concern in my view, so I am removing the refimprove template. Newystats (talk) 10:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Time for a clean up

I've taken the bold step of removing much some of the unreferenced content from this article - much of it appears to be original research, and the lack of references has probably allowed a certain amount of vandalism to remain undetected too. If reliable sources exist for any of the removed content, anyone can of course put it back as long as they provide references.  —SMALLJIM  11:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Setting aside the question of notability, which someone else can take up if they feel it is appropriate, we need to decide which sources can be considered reliable enough to support statements made in the article. Obviously anything from the BBC itself and from Lambie-Nairn is good. I think there's enough evidence to treat tv-ark.org.uk as reliable too (see its about us page). I'm not so sure about http://www.theident.gallery/. It seems to be a one-man effort, like tv-ark, but doesn't appear to have gained the same degree of recognition. The usual concerns apply about YouTube content and unless it's posted from a confirmed account, one has to assume good faith regarding the accuracy of the content. What other sources are there?

To reiterate our policy on original research: if content hasn't been published by a reliable source, we can't include it in our articles. Since the idents themselves have been published (per WP:SOURCE), it's OK to describe them in terms that anyone would agree to, in the same way as describing the plot of a fictional work (see WP:WAF and WP:PLOTSUM). However, other details such as the name of the ident, the dates it was broadcast, the feelings it is intended to evoke, etc. are not evident from the idents themselves, and so require a separate reliable source for inclusion. The descriptions in the tables abound in this sort of detail for which no sources are apparent: this unreferenced material should be removed.  —SMALLJIM  15:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Weetabix advert inclusion?

Should we include on this article that some adverts for Weetabix actually referenced some BBC2 idents? Visokor (talk) 11:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2015

BBC Two the '1991-2001' idents 109.255.226.253 (talk) 23:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  23:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Has Network follow NI's suit yet?

Has BBC2 in England have followed the suit yet to show other idents (including Shadow), but I'm sure that the people in England were real pres fans as well. Are you going to tweet BBC Two and they will planned to follow the suit. I hope Network will be the leader of all the idents than NI, Tell me when its done :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.253.26 (talk) 07:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Needs to be updated to include more modern idents

The idents are continuing to be very popular viewing on BBC2 TV and need to be updated so the article should be moved to 1991-2015. QuentinUK (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I think that BBC Two will getting a new look, despite remaining the '1991-2001' idents, but the box will remove from the text (just like NI). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.71.149.244 (talk) 12:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2015

BBC Two 1991-2001 and 2014-present New Idents 5.157.103.227 (talk) 18:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2015

There will be new idents that I can make as soon as I've confirmed 5.71.128.120 (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2015

BBC Two The 1991 2's Brand New Idents 2015 2016 89.101.224.214 (talk) 10:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Bazj (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2015

• BBC Two page on idents
  • Idents wall poster (750KB)
• idents.tv the new BBC Two idents
• BBC Two 1997-2001 idents at TV Ark
• Ident Gallery Special Pres 2013
• BBC Two 1991-1997 idents at TV Ark

79.16.179.159 (talk) 11:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Done Added the new external link. Altamel (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2015

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. TrueCRaysball | ^#RaysUp 19:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

2014–present

Title	Air Dates	Description
The Wrong Mans Series 2	18 December 2014 – 2 January 2015	Special ident for the second series of The Wrong Mans. It is first aired on Thursday 18th December 2014, Sam and Phil are exited out of the prison and heading their way to the plane for escape, but they are both chased by the '2'-shaped car that drives around outside the area, then blocking the plane to prevent The Wrong Mans, whilst the Teal-coloured 2 interacting around and looks after them both to dance around the path.
Meet The Super Rich Season	5 – 15 January 2015	This special ident is used for two weeks between 5th to 15th January 2015 to promote the Super-rich season, a helicopter lands slowly then a helicopter door opens to reveal a golden '2' who sits comfortably in the chair.
We Know Food	16 March 2015 – present	Another special ident was introduced for a serjes of Food based programming, so starting the oven, seven blinking photographs shown the celebrity chefs are: Lorraine Pascale, Rick Stein, Tom Kerridge, Mary Berry, The Hairy Bikers, Nigella Lawson and Raymond Blanc (whose saying 'oh la la'). The oven and the four cooking pots are surrounded by Kitchen utensils as the steam rises, the 2 forming within the steam. Similar to the 50th anniversary idents, the channel logo is rendered as a 3D cube, one side having "WE KNOW FOOD" written on it.
Cue Rest	18 April 2015 – present	Introduced for the 2015 World Snooker Championships, this ident featured a 2-shaped cue rest was tickled by a snooker cue as it laughs.
Christmas 2015	24 December 2015

Stings

During the run of the idents, there were also quick, usually humorous short animations shown before the trailers known as 'Stings'. Examples included a 2-shaped pancake landing in a frying pan, a '2' performing stunts on a bicycle, or a set of spinning plates in the form of the '2'. These were sometimes themed to suit a particular event, such as sport coverage; for instance, a set of snooker balls racked in the '2' shape. Animations were also created to match the theme of a year's Christmas symbol. During the 1995 Christmas period, for example, a set of short animations featuring Wallace and Gromit were used, along with a similarly themed ident.

These 'sting' animations were usually only a few seconds long and, particularly from 22 March 1993 onwards, the '2' would become a character as well as merely a symbol, an idea that was carried on for the BBC Two yellow idents from 2001.

Below is a complete list in short summary of BBC Two Stings.

Toaster	Two slices of bread come out and drop onto a plate upon a '2' logo appears on the left side of the screen. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Cactus	A cactus in a desert blooms '2' logo on the left side of the screen coming out. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Chameleon	A grey chameleon stands on the rocks to change the colour from plain grey to colourful green as a '2' logo appears on the left side of the screen. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Ostrich	An ostrich sticks its head out of the ground upon the '2' logo on the left side of the screen as it appeared. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Jelly	A gelatin (jelly) '2' jumps over the floor in a room. The room and the 2 are both black and yellow. First aired 1993.
Cliffhanger	A '2' is hanging on the top of the dark-wooden mantelpiece, possibly about to fall off. First aired 1993.
Crane	A '2' made of metal is picked up by a hook. First aired 1993.
Egg	An egg cracks, revealing a '2' which seems like a reptile. First aired 1993.
Wood	A grey '2' chips a wooden floor that leaves the wood carved trail behind as it goes. There was a variation where it was viewed from a top-down angle. First aired 1993.
Zebra	A '2' coloured white and black stripes blends on a same coloured background. There were total of eight random variations in this sting. First aired 1993.
Boombox	A '2' gets blown away by a boombox from a right-hand side. There was a variation whereas a 2 gets shaked & vibrated violently by a boombox from a left-hand slide. First aired 1993.
Hangover	A glass of water (or some other type of transparent liquid), with two '2'-shaped Alka-Seltzer tablets being dropped into the water and dissolving. First aired 1992.
Cheese	A mouse eats all the cheese to reveal a hole of a '2', then a mouse scutters off. First aired 1992.
Whacky	A saw makes a circle around the '2', do a classic cartoon gag, then the 2 causes to fall. First aired 1993.
Carrot	A donkey in the field is eating a '2'-shaped carrot by pulling off it's tail. First aired 1992.
Football	A '2' slides down the banisters and kicks the circular grip representing a "ball" into the fireplace which represents the "goal". First aired 1993.
Ski Jump	A snow version of Football where the '2' slides down the banisters and does the ski jump. First aired 1993.
Stay-Puft	A giant light grey '2' is rampaging in New York City which represents Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. First aired 1994.
Teleleporter	A '2' transports via a Star Trek like device. First aired 1993.
Hair Curlers	A hair drying machine opens to reveal a '2'-shaped hair curlers in the woman's hair. First aired 1992.
Chewing Gum	A chewing gum-shaped '2' on the pedestrian road was squashed by a man's left foot. First aired 1992.
Dead Body	A man is showing a dead body of a '2' where has examined by police investigators. First aired 1992.
Pancake	A frying pan is holding by a cookery man by using to land a '2'-shaped pancake on a frying pan, spot on target. First aired 1992.
Snowshoes	A man is using a snowshoes to walk like a mountain climber. Both '2'-shaped snowshoes are made off footwear to tread the snow during winter. First aired 1992.
Parking Meter	A red arrow-shaped '2' suddenly appears above the parking meter after two seconds of disappearing the black arrow. First aired 1992.
Snooker Balls	A '2' is made from snooker balls. First aired 1992.
Dry	A hair dryer dries a '2' made of cotton. First aired 1992.
Traffic Lights	A traffic light stops by red, ready by yellow and now go by green as a yellow '2' appears below inside the green light. First aired 1992.
Chimney Sweep	The houses are covered in snow made of chimneys as the Chimney sweep wipes a dirty soot off in a puff of smoke to be appeared by a '2'-shaped broomstick. First aired 1992.
Clown	A clown flies towards the screen, then smiles nicely and winks as the '2' on the left eye around the face-paint. First aired 1992.
Pantomime Season	A funny old horse costume immediately rips them off in both half during the pantomime season as the red '2' (complete with white wings) draws the curtains down. First aired 1992.
Spaghetti	A bowl of 2-shaped spaghetti pieces in a tomato sauce. First aired 1992.
Cows	A couple of cows are mooing in the field, cows are made of black and white 2 above the skin. First aired 1992.
Polaroid	A polaroid camera, printing off a photograph with a 2 on. The colour of the 2, and the angle of the camera, where changed from time to time. First aired 1992.
Test Card F	The test card girl, or Carole Hersee replaces Bubbles the Clown with a viridian toy shaped in a 2. First aired 1992.
Dalmatian Dog	The girl is walking in the park with a Dalmatian dog, both girl's black tight socks made of white 2-shaped spots and a Dalmatian dog with white coat made of black 2-shaped spots albeit with barking Hip Hop music sounds. First aired 1992.
Plummet	A 2 jumps from the high diving board into a pool of water inside the circus tent. First aired 1994.
Tent	A white 2 cuts the tent supports off outside the campsite area. First aired 1996.
Ballet	A gold 2 dances by spinning a la ballet in a ballet classroom, then stops. First aired 1993.
Animated Film	An ivory 2 in the garden with 14:9 picture comes closer and closer to the screen (as the Jaws theme played), then stops. First aired 1993.
Demolition	A wrecking ball hits a giant 2 made of rock but cracks on impact. First aired 1993.
Sneeze	A white 2 in the dark attic was dropped by a feather, then sneezes to send the 2 flying out of the attic. First aired 1993.
Slinky	A Slinky-shaped 2 rolls down some stairs after it presumably "sneezes". First aired 1993.
Magnet	A 2 magnet gets everything and the camera attached next to it. There was a variation with no music at all. First aired 1993.
Pump	An inflatable 2 pumps on a patio, accompanied by a deep trombone piece. There was a variation where the 2 is pumped to big, and the music ends differently. First aired 1993.
Sub	One of three animated shorts featuring a duck 2, who also starred in its own ident. The 2 pops up from underneath the bubbles, and like a submarine periscope, looks around in different directions, before sinking below surface again. First aired 1997.
Ducks	The second in this family of shorts. A 2 is crowded by hundreds of rubber ducks. First aired 1997.
Jaws	The third in this family of shorts. This one features the duck 2 swimming through the bubble bath squeaking the theme from Jaws. First aired 1997.
Swan Change Mind	The shorter version of its own ident. Two little white 2s swim passes the clearly bemused swan, then third little white 2 gets timid, then goes right at the wrong way after swims away from the swan. First aired 1998.
Pounce	A black and white 2 looks like a cat and tries to pounce on a dot. First aired 1994.
Spider's Web	The spider makes its web, and the web turns into a 2, at the end it snaps (due to the web turning into a 2). First aired 1995.
Harley's Bike	A bicycle 2 does a trick, and then rides home. First aired 1993 and usually used as a closing ident in mid 1995.
Corridor	An electro-light 2 patrols around the low lit corridors as they go in and out of doors. First aired 1994.
Door	A 2 in a dark room, with a door being closed, leaving the 2 in darkness. There were three versions in this ident. First aired 1993 and usually used as a closing ident in late 1993.
Newton's Cradle	A 2 ball is seen in a Newton's Cradle type of toy against a black background. First aired 1994.
Modern Art Gallery	A multi-coloured 2 in the artroom splits into 4 different perspectives blocks; Blue sky, Cobalt plastic, Teal stone & Red bricks, by reverting back and fourth à la Channel 4's 3D idents from a right slanted camera zooming an angle. There were two versions in this one. First aired 1993.
Television	A 2 does a dance on TV by another 2 in a hot red room. First aired 1993.
Kebab	The shorter version of its own ident. The 2 is made of meat on a kebab spinning, with a single cooking fire roasts the 2-shaped meat on a kebab alive. First aired 2000.
Cuckoo Clock	A naughty cuckoo 2 leaps out of a clock, and tries to hits the camera as they zooms back before goes back to a clock again. There were three cuckoo sounds that used in random with this one. First aired 1993.
Milk	A Milk-shaped 2 becomes fat in a fridge-freezer after drinking too much juice and falls down due to its weight. First aired 1995.
Shoal	Lots of fishes form a 2 before swimming off. First aired 1994.
Woodpecker	The shorter version of its own ident. This sting depicts one metal pole, of varying distance, against an orange background instead of five, three viridian 2s flickers one at a time by drilling like mechanical woodpeckers. First aired 2000.
Bowling Alley	A bowling game, showing a 2 as the only pin not knocked down. A ball is rolled to try to knock the 2 over, but the 2 jumps into the air, making the ball fall down. First aired 1994.
Kiss	A 2 jumps to a TV and kisses the screen, then let go to stand and watch. First aired 1993.
Robot	A giant 2 gets smaller one at top which that one gets a 2 which gets a 2 with a robotic camera. There were two sounds that used in random with this one. First aired 1993.
Fast	A silver 2 walks down a road then speeds off with a trail of blaze. First aired 1994.
Seeing Stars	A white 2 in a colourful cube jumps around and crashes into the screen and gets dizzy. There was a variation with disco lights as the 2 knocks the screen once, then the colourful cube zooms up to the center area where the 2 dances around the now rectangled cube for the Comedy Zone promos. First aired 1995.
Tin Foil	Layers of tin foil overlap and create a 2 shape which causes the machine producing the tin foil to malfunction. First aired 1993.
Velcro	Also known as 'Sticky Pad'. An orange 2 made out of Velcro in a viridian room tries to get out. First aired 1993.
Whirlwind	A 2 spins around the glass objects, stops then hits a glass object to making it spin again. First aired 1996.
Hide & Seek	A 2 is kissing on the TV, then jumps out of a pile of videos, as another 2 plays hide and seek, then a 2 running and pants around the TV and jumps up to give it a squeak and down again. First aired 1993.
Spinning Plates	A group of plates spinning in a 2 shape while a man tries to balance them. First aired 1993.

Since 19 August 2014, BBC Two Northern Ireland has been airing a selection of stings from the set. Three days after, Network followed suit. Bizarrely, only ones related to idents have been shown (Sub, Jaws and Ducks, Woodpecker, Swan Change Mind and Kebab). Swan Change Mind has become the opening sting on all BBC Two programmes available on BBC iPlayer since 13 November 2014. However, as of 13 January 2015, stings from the 1990s that are not related to idents are starting to make a comeback and are airing between programmes as part of the 2015 rebrand, which include Newton's Cradle, Bowling Alley, Shoal, Slinky, Spider's Web, Spinning Plates, Whirlwind, Magnet, Whacky, Boombox, Robot, Seeing Stars (currently in Northern Ireland only), Pounce, Milk, Stay-Puft, Cuckoo Clock, Harley's Bike, Ballet and Pump (currently across the Network).

References

79.16.179.159 (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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1997–2001

Title	Air Dates	Description
Christmas 1997	24 December 1997	A white 2 in a snowglobe. A few variants with the faces of BBC Two's Christmas lineup appearing as reflections in the snowglobe were made; however, only one (with the cast of Shooting Stars) was shown.
Red Dwarf Night	14 February 1998	A series of five idents, each used on "Red Dwarf Night" from 14 February 1998. Each ident was transmitted only once. Unfortunately BBC Presentation made a mess of the first one, fading up half a still on top of the image. The theme is a love affair between the "2", which has a red antenna sticking out of its head, and a skutter, one of the mechanical robot service droids on board Red Dwarf. The theme of a love affair was fitting, as it showed that Valentine's Day. Idents show the 2 rejecting the skutter's passes, the 2 and skutter at a cinema date in which they noisily share a soft drink, disrobing to have sex (complete with saxophone theme), getting married and, finally, the 2 giving birth to their children.
Evolution Weekend	27 – 29 March 1998	The single ident was animated by starting with the still image of a "2" in clear water. A stone is dropped causing large ripples in the water. We see the reflection of a monkey peering into the water, as it morphs into an ape, early man, and into modern man before he moves away to reveal the "2" where we started. Further ripples are seen with just the "2" visible.
Christmas 1998	23 December 1998, 6 December 2014	A green fairy moves back to reveal the 2 atop a Christmas tree with surreal white and green colours. Reused at Christmas 2014 to introduce archive programming (new content was introduced with the 2013 animations)
Millennium	4 January – 31 December 1999	A camera zooming down on an hourglass reavels that many little 2's are falling instead of sand, counting down to the new millennium.
Monty Python Night	9 October 1999	BBC Two celebrates the 30 years of Monty Python and Monty Python's Flying Circus. A series of three spoof-based idents, each used on "Monty Python Night" from 9 October 1999. In the first, a white mouse climbs down inside the 2-shaped glass-cage against the light blue background, then exits out the cage, but is suddenly smashed by a hammer and replaced by a little white kitten (accompanied by a now kitten's den-shaped 2, except with killing the kitten with splattering blood next to our actor and comedian John Cleese). In the second, the grey 2 made of hardened clay against a same light blue background, then hoists them up with a gripping rope to reveal the Monty Python's viewers as "Comedy of the Millennium" logo zooms in. In the third, the plain blue 2 against the peach-coloured background is filled by a freshly amber coloured mango juice drink inside the 2 as it turns amber, then peels off and drops it down with a hand, then replaced by a fake red BBC One Balloon logo with "BBC ONE" has written on it, after a several seconds the balloon logo deflats away and lands on the floor. And finally, against the same as above, the clay hardened-2 is holding a rope whilst John Cleese ends the Monty Python Night. He says: "That was the end of Monty Python. And now the BBC is closing down... Forever.", afterwards, the 2 drops onto the stylised BBC TWO logo then shatters into pieces at the end (albeit with clumsy clattering cartoon sounds). Audio was the same as Neon.
Christmas 1999	23 December 1999	A similar theme to last year, and the first ident to feature the bbc.co.uk URL. The 2, complete with wings, knocks the fairy off the tree before taking her place, a christmassy view from the cities against a cerulean background as the 2 with wings sits well at the top of the Christmas tree.
It's Scary Out There	8 January 2000 – 19 November 2001	The ident features an empty graveyard. The camera then zooms further into the graveyard until a giant '2' pops out of nowhere, and the camera zooms back. This rare special ident is used for horror movies and horror shows, such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Demon Seed, but joined by regular roster of BBC Two idents and became a regular and rare ident until 19 November 2001.
Simpsons Night	23 June 2000	Two idents that were produced for Simpsons night. The first one was a parody of the show's opening titles, showing a yellow coloured '2' cracking the camera recording it. The second shows a power cut in the Simpsons household. The Simpsons family are all '2's.
I Love 1970's	22 July – 23 September 2000	A blood–orange '2' appeares in a lava lamp before disappearing moments later.
X-Files Night	12 November 2000 – 19 November 2001	3 idents were created for use throughout X-Files night, two joined the regular roster of idents (Camcorder and Super 8) however the third was only used on the night.
Christmas 2000	22 December 2000	Two small white 2's skate on top of, and fall off, a huge ice-covered 2 against a blue background. This ident was reused for the 2006 Winter Olympics and sporting programmes.
I Love 1980's	13 January – 24 March 2001	In the first ident, the '2' would be seen dancing to a song of Don't You Want Me by The Human League from the late 1981 ident. In the second ident, the 2 can be seen kissing the television screen, then let go to body moves to a song of Planet Earth by Duran Duran from the early 1981 ident.
Comedy Zone	26 February – 27 August 2001	A series of three idents with a caricature of Anne Robinson behind a blue, techno-like background with 2s behind her. In one ident she is shown dancing to Kelis' Caught Out There. Those idents also doubled up as continuity announcements, as the voiceover would match the Robinson caricature's mouth movements.
Star Trek Night	16 September 2001	Also known as 'Teleporter'. This ident was originally a sting, the '2' can be seen teleporting. This was the last ever ident used for one of BBC 2's themed nights.

79.16.179.159 (talk) 09:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2015

BBC Two the 1991's 2 brand New Idents in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 109.255.226.253 (talk) 13:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2015

BBC Two the 1991's 2 brand New Idents in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 109.255.226.253 (talk) 08:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as your requested is unclear, not a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
It also appears to be a future prediction, which we do not cover as per WP:CRYSTAL.
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2015

New ident for India Season earlier tonight: http://theident.gallery/player.php?id=BBC2-2015-ID-INDIASEASON-1

FanofPresIdents (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- EpicPrime (leave a message | edits) 08:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2015

|- | Car || 1 November 1993 – 19 November 2001;
18 July 2014 – present || One of a new series of idents introduced in 1993. It featured a viridian '2' with an aerial moving about on wheels in a yellow studio, in the same manner as a remote-controlled car. The car noise varies in pitch as it whizzes around at varying speeds. It is possible that this inspired the 2001-2007 series of idents. Two variations were made: one with the car coming from the left hand side (the more common version) and one coming from the right hand side. The former variation made a 2014 comeback on BBC Two Northern Ireland in April 2014 for the Afternoon Classics strand; and two months later shown in Wales for the 90s Night. The same variation has been brought back in July 2014 for the channel's 50th anniversary, and was one of a few to air in its 50th Anniversary form in Northern Ireland before showing in Network and Wales (alongside Woodpecker, Duck, Zapper, Dog and the currently Northern Ireland-only idents), being the second (after Dog) to show on Network afterwards two days later.

Edited in October 1997.It is used as the opening ident on all BBC Two programmes on the iPlayer. 79.25.186.7 (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

References

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2015

BBC Two the 1991's 2 idents 2015 2016 2017 2018 109.255.226.253 (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

• Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
• You have made this same request multiple times. Repeating it will not get the changes you want unless you actually tell us what you want to change. In addition please read WP:CRYSTAL. We don't normally make posts regarding future events as we cannot know for certain if they will occur or not. --Stabila711 (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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Stings

During the run of the idents, there were also quick, usually humorous short animations shown before the trailers known as 'Stings'. Examples included a 2-shaped pancake landing in a frying pan, a '2' performing stunts on a bicycle, or a set of spinning plates in the form of the '2'. These were sometimes themed to suit a particular event, such as sport coverage; for instance, a set of snooker balls racked in the '2' shape. Animations were also created to match the theme of a year's Christmas symbol. During the 1995 Christmas period, for example, a set of short animations featuring Wallace and Gromit were used, along with a similarly themed ident.

These 'sting' animations were usually only a few seconds long and, particularly from 8 March 1993, the '2' would become a character as well as merely a symbol, an idea that was carried on for the BBC Two yellow idents from 2001.

Below is a complete list in short summary of BBC Two Stings.

Toaster	Two slices of bread come out and drop onto a plate upon a '2' logo appears on the left side of the screen. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Cactus	A cactus in a desert blooms '2' logo on the left side of the screen coming out. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Chameleon	A grey chameleon stands on the rocks to change the colour from plain grey to colourful green as a '2' logo appears on the left side of the screen. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Ostrich	An ostrich sticks its head out of the ground upon the '2' logo on the left side of the screen as it appeared. First aired 1991 and withdrawn soon after.
Jelly	A gelatin (jelly) '2' jumps over the floor in a room. The room and the 2 are both black and yellow. First aired 1993.
Cliffhanger	A '2' is hanging on the top of the dark-wooden mantelpiece, possibly about to fall off. First aired 1993.
Crane	A '2' made of metal is picked up by a hook. First aired 1993.
Egg	An egg cracks, revealing a '2' which seems like a reptile. First aired 1993.
Wood	A grey '2' chips a wooden floor that leaves the wood carved trail behind as it goes. There was a variation where it was viewed from a top-down angle. First aired 1993.
Zebra	A '2' coloured white and black stripes blends on a same coloured background. There were total of eight random variations in this sting. First aired 1993.
Boombox	A '2' gets blown away by a boombox from a right-hand side. There was a variation whereas a 2 gets shaked & vibrated violently by a boombox from a left-hand slide. First aired 1993.
Hangover	A glass of water (or some other type of transparent liquid), with two '2'-shaped Alka-Seltzer tablets being dropped into the water and dissolving. First aired 1992.
Cheese	A mouse eats all the cheese to reveal a hole of a '2', then a mouse scutters off. First aired 1992.
Whacky	A saw makes a circle around the '2', do a classic cartoon gag, then the 2 causes to fall. First aired 1993.
Carrot	A donkey in the field is eating a '2'-shaped carrot by pulling off it's tail. First aired 1992.
Football	A '2' slides down the banisters and kicks the circular grip representing a "ball" into the fireplace which represents the "goal". First aired 1993.
Ski Jump	A snow version of Football where the '2' slides down the banisters and does the ski jump. First aired 1993.
Stay-Puft	A giant light grey '2' is rampaging in New York City which represents Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. First aired 1994.
Teleleporter	A '2' transports via a Star Trek like device. First aired 1993.
Hair Curlers	A hair drying machine opens to reveal a '2'-shaped hair curlers in the woman's hair. First aired 1992.
Chewing Gum	A chewing gum-shaped '2' on the pedestrian road was squashed by a man's left foot. First aired 1992.
Dead Body	A man is showing a dead body of a '2' where has examined by police investigators. First aired 1992.
Pancake	A frying pan is holding by a cookery man by using to land a '2'-shaped pancake on a frying pan, spot on target. First aired 1992.
Snowshoes	A man is using a snowshoes to walk like a mountain climber. Both '2'-shaped snowshoes are made off footwear to tread the snow during winter. First aired 1992.
Parking Meter	A red arrow-shaped '2' suddenly appears above the parking meter after two seconds of disappearing the black arrow. First aired 1992.
Snooker Balls	A '2' is made from snooker balls. First aired 1992.
Dry	A hair dryer dries a '2' made of cotton. First aired 1992.
Traffic Lights	A traffic light stops by red, ready by yellow and now go by green as a yellow '2' appears below inside the green light. First aired 1992.
Chimney Sweep	The houses are covered in snow made of chimneys as the Chimney sweep wipes a dirty soot off in a puff of smoke to be appeared by a '2'-shaped broomstick. First aired 1992.
Clown	A clown flies towards the screen, then smiles nicely and winks as the '2' on the left eye around the face-paint. First aired 1992.
Pantomime Season	A funny old horse costume immediately rips them off in both half during the pantomime season as the red '2' (complete with white wings) draws the curtains down. First aired 1992.
Spaghetti	A bowl of 2-shaped spaghetti pieces in a tomato sauce. First aired 1992.
Cows	A couple of cows are mooing in the field, cows are made of black and white 2 above the skin. First aired 1992.
Polaroid	A polaroid camera, printing off a photograph with a 2 on. The colour of the 2, and the angle of the camera, where changed from time to time. First aired 1992.
Test Card F	The test card girl, or Carole Hersee replaces Bubbles the Clown with a viridian toy shaped in a 2. First aired 1992.
Dalmatian Dog	The girl is walking in the park with a Dalmatian dog, both girl's black tight socks made of white 2-shaped spots and a Dalmatian dog with white coat made of black 2-shaped spots albeit with barking Hip Hop music sounds. First aired 1992.
Plummet	A 2 jumps from the high diving board into a pool of water inside the circus tent. First aired 1994.
Tent	A white 2 cuts the tent supports off outside the campsite area. First aired 1996.
Ballet	A gold 2 dances by spinning a la ballet in a ballet classroom, then stops. First aired 1993.
Animated Film	An ivory 2 in the garden with 14:9 picture comes closer and closer to the screen (as the Jaws theme played), then stops. First aired 1993.
Demolition	A wrecking ball hits a giant 2 made of rock but cracks on impact. First aired 1993.
Sneeze	A white 2 in the dark attic was dropped by a feather, then sneezes to send the 2 flying out of the attic. First aired 1993.
Slinky	A Slinky-shaped 2 rolls down some stairs after it presumably "sneezes". First aired 1993.
Magnet	A 2 magnet gets everything and the camera attached next to it. There was a variation with no music at all. First aired 1993.
Pump	An inflatable 2 pumps on a patio, accompanied by a deep trombone piece. There was a variation where the 2 is pumped to big, and the music ends differently. First aired 1993.
Sub	One of three animated shorts featuring a duck 2, who also starred in its own ident. The 2 pops up from underneath the bubbles, and like a submarine periscope, looks around in different directions, before sinking below surface again. First aired 1997.
Ducks	The second in this family of shorts. A 2 is crowded by hundreds of rubber ducks. First aired 1997.
Jaws	The third in this family of shorts. This one features the duck 2 swimming through the bubble bath squeaking the theme from Jaws. First aired 1997.
Swan Change Mind	The shorter version of its own ident. Two little white 2s swim passes the clearly bemused swan, then third little white 2 gets timid, then goes right at the wrong way after swims away from the swan. First aired 1998.
Pounce	A black and white 2 looks like a cat and tries to pounce on a dot. First aired 1994.
Spider's Web	The spider makes its web, and the web turns into a 2, at the end it snaps (due to the web turning into a 2). First aired 1995.
Harley's Bike	A bicycle 2 does a trick, and then rides home. First aired 1993 and usually used as a closing ident in mid 1995.
Corridor	An electro-light 2 patrols around the low lit corridors as they go in and out of doors. First aired 1994.
Door	A 2 in a dark room, with a door being closed, leaving the 2 in darkness. There were three versions in this ident. First aired 1993 and usually used as a closing ident in late 1993.
Newton's Cradle	A 2 ball is seen in a Newton's Cradle type of toy against a black background. First aired 1994.
Modern Art Gallery	A multi-coloured 2 in the artroom splits into 4 different perspectives blocks; Blue sky, Cobalt plastic, Teal stone & Red bricks, by reverting back and fourth à la Channel 4's 3D idents from a right slanted camera zooming an angle. There were two versions in this one. First aired 1993.
Television	A 2 does a dance on TV by another 2 in a hot red room. First aired 1993.
Kebab	The shorter version of its own ident. The 2 is made of meat on a kebab spinning, with a single cooking fire roasts the 2-shaped meat on a kebab alive. First aired 2000.
Cuckoo Clock	A naughty cuckoo 2 leaps out of a clock, and tries to hits the camera as they zooms back before goes back to a clock again. There were three cuckoo sounds that used in random with this one. First aired 1993.
Milk	A Milk-shaped 2 becomes fat in a fridge-freezer after drinking too much juice and falls down due to its weight. First aired 1995.
Shoal	Lots of fishes form a 2 before swimming off. First aired 1994.
Woodpecker	The shorter version of its own ident. This sting depicts one metal pole, of varying distance, against an orange background instead of five, three viridian 2s flickers one at a time by drilling like mechanical woodpeckers. First aired 2000.
Bowling Alley	A bowling game, showing a 2 as the only pin not knocked down. A ball is rolled to try to knock the 2 over, but the 2 jumps into the air, making the ball fall down. First aired 1994.
Kiss	A 2 jumps to a TV and kisses the screen, then let go to stand and watch. First aired 1993.
Robot	A giant 2 gets smaller one at top which that one gets a 2 which gets a 2 with a robotic camera. There were two sounds that used in random with this one. First aired 1993.
Fast	A silver 2 walks down a road then speeds off with a trail of blaze. First aired 1994.
Seeing Stars	A white 2 in a colourful cube jumps around and crashes into the screen and gets dizzy. There was a variation with disco lights as the 2 knocks the screen once, then the colourful cube zooms up to the center area where the 2 dances around the now rectangled cube for the Comedy Zone promos. First aired 1995.
Tin Foil	Layers of tin foil overlap and create a 2 shape which causes the machine producing the tin foil to malfunction. First aired 1993.
Velcro	Also known as 'Sticky Pad'. An orange 2 made out of Velcro in a viridian room tries to get out. First aired 1993.
Whirlwind	A 2 spins around the glass objects, stops then hits a glass object to making it spin again. First aired 1996.
Hide & Seek	A 2 is kissing on the TV, then jumps out of a pile of videos, as another 2 plays hide and seek, then a 2 running and pants around the TV and jumps up to give it a squeak and down again. First aired 1993.
Spinning Plates	A group of plates spinning in a 2 shape while a man tries to balance them. First aired 1993.
Springwatch (Caterpillar)	First aired 2015.
Springwatch (Butterfly)	First aired 2015.

Since 19 August 2014, BBC Two Northern Ireland has been airing a selection of stings from the set. Three days after, Network followed suit. Bizarrely, only ones related to idents have been shown (Sub, Jaws and Ducks, Woodpecker, Swan Change Mind and Kebab). Swan Change Mind has become the opening sting on all BBC Two programmes available on BBC iPlayer since 13 November 2014. However, as of 1 January 2015, stings from the 1990s that are not related to idents are starting to make a comeback and are airing between programmes as part of the 2015 rebrand, which include Newton's Cradle, Bowling Alley, Shoal, Milk, Slinky, Spider's Web, Spinning Plates, Whirlwind, Stay-Puft, Magnet, Whacky, Boombox, Robot, Seeing Stars (currently Northern Ireland only), Pounce, Cuckoo Clock, Harley Bike, Ballet, and Pump. 79.50.134.20 (talk) 17:57, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

References

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 22:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Article title

It's becoming clear to me that the title of this article is becoming more and more irrelevant and inaccurate. It was fine before they brought back the idents last year and even in the first few months of their re-usage as it wasn't clear whether the idents were going to become permanent or not after the 50th anniversary. But now they are permanent (at least as far as the BBC has announced), should we perhaps think about changing the article title? Maybe to something like "BBC Two '2' idents". It's far from ideal, I know, as the past three packages have had stylised 2s in some form or another but it's better than the inaccurate one we have at the moment. Another alternative is changing it too "BBC Two '1991-2001, 2014-present' idents" but that's a bit too cumbersome for a title. Any other thoughts? Aw16 (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

"BBC Two '2' idents" is far too vague an article title, especially when you consider that all but one of BBC Two's ident packages showcase the number '2' so I would argue that a title like that would be worse than the current title. And how exactly is the title inaccurate? The idents' original run lasted from 1991 until 2001 and unlike the "Personality" and "Window on the World" ident packages, the ident set, as a whole, lack an official name. I agree, having "BBC Two '1991-2001, 2014-present' idents" as a title would be cumbersome but it could also be interpreted as infringing WP:IINFO.

The current title is fine as it is. -- EpicPrime (leave a message | edits) 19:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions about BBC2's Xmas idents to return next week

So BBC One will be launching it's Christmas pres on Tuesday but i wonder if BBC2 going to bring us a new xmas pres and some old friends (e.g. Christmas 1991) this year. Any thoughts? StarWarsAndTheUserStrikesBack (talk) 18:02, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

No evidence, as of yet, suggests that this is going to happen. Not only that but Wikipedia talk pages are not suitable places for ident predictions. -- EpicPrime (leave a message | edits) 18:23, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2015

BBC Two Brand New Idents 2016 92.251.135.211 (talk) 18:39, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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BBC Two China Season and Robot Wars ident 2016

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2016

BBC Two China Season and Robot Wars ident 2016 178.167.254.143 (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2016

BBC Two New Ident 2016 89.101.224.214 (talk) 11:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Air Dates

Why did you remove the air dates? There was NOTHING wrong with them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMacG4pedia (talk • contribs) 21:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Because they were either completely unsourced or supported only by unreliable user-generated sources like TV Forum – neither of which is acceptable. SuperMarioMan–Talk 01:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2017

176.240.100.40 (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Ident List

Why was the ident list removed? I used that list to remember the proper names of idents & I'm rather unhappy at their removal. Fair enough about the airing dates being unreliable, but removing the whole list seems unwarrented.

Logan Sheppard (talk) 09:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

It’s been removed as a it’s  over  Descriptive But you’re right. There was no need for that. 82.18.105.207 (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Why was the ident list removed?

The other pages with BBC Two idents have an ident list so why did the ident list here got removed?

"Warp"

Has anyone here eaver heard of the "Warp" ident, which mind you was rejected? Visokor (talk) Visokor (talk) 21:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

No. —theMainLogan (t•c) 02:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)