Talk:Spanish-suited playing cards

First comment

The text:

Very rarely the eights and nines are added to create a 48-card deck.

is marked "dubious". I am curious as to why this is marked dubious. Is it because it is not rare at all or because someone doubts the is ever happens at all? I have no data about the rarity of such decks, but when I played Mus with my great aunts in Madrid the first stage was always to remove the 8s and 9s to get the 40 card "Baraja". This might have been because the deck was unusual, but it was from one of the best known manufacturers of such decks.

Ben Bacarisse (talk) 13:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

The mystery deepens! Are you saying they took the extra cards from a 52-card pack to make a Baraja deck, or from a 48 card pack?

I'm also puzzled which cards are absent in a Baraja pack. There are still three picture cards, so either eights, nines and tens (12 cards) would have to go, or (if the ten acts as "prince") eights nines and queens. Does anyone know? Moonraker12 (talk) 10:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ben is right. Although the most known pack of Spanish cards is a 40-card baraja, it is not so strange to be able to find a 50-card baraja. You can check it out at Naipes Heraclio Fournier official website or even at Argentina-based Naipes Casino (Justo Rodero). In late February, I bought both a Fournier N°27 40-card pack and a Fournier N°12 50-card pack here in downtown Santiago, Chile. So, in a 40-card pack eights and nines are absent. In a 50-card pack, you have eights and nines and two extra cards.

Pjimenez (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The Spanish baraja is made in 40- and 48-card versions, the 48-card sometimes carrying two jokers as well. To answer Moonraker12's question the cards which are absent are the tens, as the knights are equivalent to the queens of the 52-pack, and the picture cards are labelled 10, 11 and 12. Nomadic Jaime (talk) 13:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

The article now answers Mookraker12's question. I got the info by looking at the really large version of the picture. -- TimNelson (talk) 05:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I've tweaked the text, for clarity I hope it reflects the discussion here.

A further point is, we should be clear on the difference between the "traditional Spanish pack of cards", and "packs of cards you can by in Spain nowadays"; both (presumably) can be called Baraja, but only the first would be notable. Moonraker12 (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Games that use the Baraja

I've changed some of the links here. Cuago linked via re-direct to Rummy; the new link goes to an explanation of matching games, with a main article link if more information is needed. Similarly I've changed the links for the trick-taking games; a one paragraph explanation is probably as much as many readers will want, and there's a main article link there if anyone wants more. Moonraker12 (talk) 10:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

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Political content

Historically, Spain was split into several independent states. Even after these states began sharing the same monarchy, they maintained their own separate parliaments, laws, and taxes for several centuries.

Why is that relevant? Lektu (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

It's to provide context for why regional patterns developed.--Countakeshi (talk) 10:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Baraja (playing cards) → Spanish playing cards – Spanish playing cards is a simpler title and fits in with other titles like Swiss playing cards, French playing cards, German playing cards, and Italian playing cards. Baraja by itself is a disambiguation page which makes this article less convenient to search for or link to.--Countakeshi (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURAL Red Slash 00:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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Order of suits

The "natural" order of the suits (when ordered by number of segments in the pinta) would be coins, cups, swords, and batons; and I think this is the de facto order that is typically used as well (citation needed). Is there a reason why the article uses swords, cups, coins, and batons in the tables? Perhaps for compatibility with some other article that uses the "equivalent" suits (e.g. spades, hearts, diamonds, and clubs) in that order? If not, would it make sense to rearrange the tables to the aforementioned "natural" order? --Cousteau (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)