Talk:Battle of Mykolaiv

Not the only bridge

idk who got that idea, just look at google maps, basically any larger city that has this river crossing it has at least one bridge across it. Maybe the cited source ment Southern part of that river, would be extremely confusing given English name of the river... 213.5.5.42 (talk) 14:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add day per day dates

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.193.35.108 (talk) 20:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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Naval Forces

Both Ukrainian and Russian navies are listed in the infobox as participants. But there is no mention of Russian Navy activity in the article at present. Also it is doubtful whether the scuttling of the Ukrainian frigate could be described "involved", since it was out of service in mid-refit; there is nothing in the article about any active naval unit based at Mikolaiv. Davidships (talk) 10:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian Victory?

Would this exactly count as a Ukrainian victory if they were repelled? Dawsongfg (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)dawsongfgDawsongfg (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, the Ukrainian MP Oleksiy Honcharenko (European Solidarity) stated today that Russian forces were pushed back to the town of Posad-Pokrovskoho (Kherson Oblast). He also said that all town were liberated from the occupiers. In my opinion, I would see that as a ukrainian victory, at least temporary (but hopefully permanent). Source: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/03/17/7332228/ Pettylein (talk) 15:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

So far it is a Ukr Victory Russians moved into the city, took possession of some areas, and then were pushed back, then Ukr recaptured the airport and pushed them back further. Its just hard to say that the battle is over, so a victor can't be declared, but unless the Russians move back in, that's how it will be recorded. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

The situation has changed a bit again.

The pushback was successful. All russian forces on M-14 (in Mykolaiv Oblast) were pushed back to Posad-Pokrovske (Kherson Oblast).

But there is a new russian offensive further northeast (but further west than Snihurivka where russian forces were also pushed back) going over small villages and gravel roads.

The General Statt of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that RF has pushed to the Inhul River (around Maryivka/Inhulka villages). Imo, I would changed the "situation" back to "ongoing", maybe "ongoing in a different direction" or something like this. Pettylein (talk) 13:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say now that this is a Ukranian victory, as the Russians seem unable to take the city now, and the Ukrainians are currently launching a counter-offensive to liberate Kherson. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 02:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

What is this? Is Wikipedia pro-Russian now? It is obvious that the Battle of Mykolaiv is over. There are litteraly tens of sources on it, you can see it live on CNN and the only ones that claim there is still fighting is the Kreml. Change it back to "Ukranian victory". And Kherson is "ongoing". But not for long. Ectoras (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

No reliable sources verifying a Ukrainian victory, while Ukrainians themselves say the Mykolaiv countryside is still contested. EkoGraf (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the area south of Mykolaiv is contested, but the fact is Ukrainian forces held the city against a Russian assault and succeeded in clearing Russian forces from the countryside North and East of the city. If Russia advances on Mykolaiv again, it would certainly represent a new engagement, the Second Battle of Mykolaiv. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Here is a source which states that Mykolaiv is not contested, the city is quiet except for the last two missile strikes. Missile strikes do not mean the city is contested, as Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk and many other cities are under missile attack but aren't considered contested. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 23:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220329-revenge-russia-strikes-break-eery-quiet-in-battered-mykolaiv Wolf359Locutus (talk) 23:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yo, sources provided. Anyone got a response or can we correct this?Wolf359Locutus (talk) 23:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Splitting proposal for the Mykolaiv military barracks airstrike

Based on a discussion on the Talk:List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, I am opening up the splitting proposal to let editors voice their opinion about that. I am not dropping support or opposition for the split, just starting the discussion. What a split would mean: It would split the section about the airstrike into its own article, and leave a sentence or two about the airstrike, with a wikilink to join the split article with the parent article. A split would also mean the airstrike would qualify for the List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which was what the discussion that started this was about. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Probably not independently notable, as it is soldier-on-soldier action. If this were an attack on civilians, then there may be an argument, but there is otherwise no reason to split this off, in my opinion. Curbon7 (talk) 06:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Probably not independently notable. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2022

Ukraine has won the battle for now, and the battle is kind of moving into kherson

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1507103735067164680

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/how-ukraine-won-the-battle-of-mykolaiv/

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1507491206300938241

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1507488115111387137

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1507443870119960580

Might want to make battle of kherson ongoing soon Blastingemerald (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of mykoaliv has ended yesterday. Blastingemerald (talk) 20:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 21:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Change battle from "Ongoing" to "Ukranian victory". This is not serious. Ectoras (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It makes sense to consider the battle won by Ukraine. If the fighting ends up back at Mykolaiv in the future, it would make more sense to call that the "Second Battle of Mykolaiv," as it would be a different situation. Ukraine has succeeded in defending Mykolaiv and repulsing the attack, the First Battle of Mykolaiv is a Ukrainian victory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.22.90.72 (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It almost seems like there is an unwillingness to having a "Ukranian victory" in a single battle here. Ectoras (talk) 13:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Ectoras, any claim, particularly controversial claims, MUST be supported by reliable sources. Twitter is not a suitable source for such a claim. Curbon7 (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and Wikipedia CLAIMING, unlike anyone else that the battle of Mykolaiv is ongoing now is extreamly controversial. CNN have reported the liberation of Myloklaiv for days. What is your SOURCE for it being an ongoing battle? Ectoras (talk) 23:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

How about changing status to: Disputed (Ukrainian Victory claim)? Cause that's right now more realistic, also look at the graph. It doesn't make any sense to say that the battle is ongoing, while on the map the frontline looks like it is closer to Kherson. 91.46.86.117 (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Its not disputed at all. Russia isn't claiming to control more land than they are. Ukraine has successfully pushed Russia back from Mykolaiv meanin the First Battle of Mykolaiv has ended, with a Ukrainian victory. If the Russians come back, we can call that second engagement the Second Battle of Mykoliav.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

If y'all have sources that state the battle is over, by all means provide them and this will be changed. However, it is not our business to infer based off of Wikimedia Commons maps (WP:CIRCULAR) or Twitter posts what a result may or may not be. Curbon7 (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Heres your source. Mykolaiv is only under threat of airstrike and missile attack, just like Rivne, Lutsk, Lviv, and Ivano-Frankivsk, none of which are considered to be contested. Ground forces and artillery are not able to attack Mykolaiv at present, the battle is over. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220329-revenge-russia-strikes-break-eery-quiet-in-battered-mykolaiv Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Heres another saying Russian forces have been pushed 50 miles from Mykolaiv

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/04/mykolaiv-hospital-shelling-damage-russia/ Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Crimean Tatars are also in this war, someone please add them???

Crimean Tatars are also in this war, someone please add them Nizamcı (talk) 07:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Kırım!!!

Crimean Tatars are also in this war, someone please add them Nizamcı (talk) 07:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Nizamcı, please provide a reliable source. Curbon7 (talk) 09:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

Change the map back from the colorblind one 72.229.242.36 (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a reason? The one on the page looks fine. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 13:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I just want to restore it back to the original map, which is more up-to-date than the colorblind one, and it also looks nicer imo. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. WP:ACCESS seems to favor color blind accessibility. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2022

the truth Dan J. Rocks (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

The truth Dan J. Rocks (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 22:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Capitalisation of "battle" in "battle of Mykolaiv"

The initial letter of the title is only capitalised in running text if it would normally be capitalised. Per MOS:CAPS: Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. Per MOS:CAPS, the burden is to show that capitalisation is necessary in accordance with the criteria of MOS:CAPS. Looking at news sources here, it certainly doesn't meet the high threshold set by MOS:CAPS. The article title is even questionable given so few sources but that is another issue. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Use lower-case per MOS:CAPS, as sources do not consistently capitalize this as a proper name.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2022

I want to tell the world about what happened in this battle 41.47.121.114 (talk) 05:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

add a new "May" subsection with this content:

On 5 May, the Russian Defence Ministry claimed that its missiles destroyed a large ammunition depot of Mykolaiv.

187.39.133.201 (talk) 19:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

References

 Done — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be Called "Siege of Mykolaiv"?

Didn't the city got sieged by russian troops and the early stages of the war? So it wouldn't be good renaming the article to "Siege of Mykolaiv"? Lucasoliveira653 (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

• Would Lucasoliveira653 (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

As the creator of the article, no. While there were multiple bombardments of the city, Russian troops directly entered the city and engaged in urban combat with Ukrainians. A siege is defined as a military blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender, which during this battle was not the case. Luxtay the IInd (^{talketh to me}) 08:18, 11 November 2022 (UTC)