Talk:Better Call Saul season 6

Cooper's Bar (revisited)

The Variety article says that it is "connected to the world of Better Call Saul", but are we SURE that this means it is set in the Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul universe? I'm honestly wondering if AMC said that as a ploy to raise interest in this new miniseries, whatever it is. Something that seems to have been hiding in plain sight is that November 2021 Rhea Seehorn interview that first announced the final season of Better Call Saul would be split, IT IS ACTUALLY PROMOTING COOPER'S BAR. They talk about their inspiration for the show, and even say that they shot a pilot for it, but there was no reference to Better Call Saul during its conception.

I sincerely doubt Cooper's Bar has any connection to Better Call Saul at all, and I sense it was just been tacked on to the promotional campaign just to try to generate interest. I also have a very strong feeling that we are going to delete those subsections from the main page and the Season 6 once they finally air. But I guess we should keep it in until this is confirmed? Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it's connected. AMC even called an original series in that source. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Well Cooper's Bar dropped and it seems my instincts were right - it has nothing to do with Better Call Saul. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

episode specific posters

The official BCS twitter account has in the past posted posters of each of these season's episodes (so far), eg: Ep 7, Ep 6. These are technically acceptable under MOS:TVIMAGE, however, these are also somewhat vague (obviously as teasers for the viewers), but I wanted to point these out as they can serve as episode article art. --Masem (t) 13:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I wouldn't use them since they're teasers with puns/callbacks (e.g. expresso / dominoes). A person in Georgia (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

User:FishandChipper, you just added these posters to all the episode articles, even when it was already discussed they shouldn't be added. I suggest you remove them or make an argument on why you think they're necessary. A person in Georgia (talk) 22:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with using official teaser posters as an infobox image. Masem (t) 22:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, but some of these don't classify as "formal" posters, instead references to certain points in the episode (coffee, martini, parking space), with some even just being puns and jokes (the name tag in "Black and Blue"). A person in Georgia (talk) 22:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

But those are still "official" similar to a movie poster. Masem (t) 22:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

A movie poster normally has the actors (see WandaVision / Hawkeye (2021 TV series)'s posters). These are simply teasers, but they don't serve a definitive purpose in putting them in the infobox. A person in Georgia (talk) 22:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Even still you have reverted the posters on Wine and Roses and Rock and Hard Place to simply screenshots from the episodes which are arguably even less like an official poster. I definitly feel like if there is going to be something used to represent an episode it should be what the actual episode creators used to represent it and not what some rando on Wikipedia thinks (no offense) FishandChipper 🐟🍟 05:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Also your definition of a poster where it has to contain the actors is just blatenly wrong. In fact some of the best move posters of all time (in my opinion at least) don't even show an actor (e.g. Alien, Jurassic Park etc.) FishandChipper 🐟🍟 05:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@FishandChipper I'd say a screenshot explaining a portion of an episode's themes is better than a poster of car keys, which isn't necessary. A person in Georgia (talk) 13:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Read MOS:TVIMAGE. If a screenshot is used, it must fully comply with NFCC. Additionally, as most of BCS is talking head images of the actors and thus show nothing that can't be described in text, any screenshot it likely going to be set pieces and just as abstract as the posters. Masem (t) 13:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

The text describing the flower is already explained later on in the article. If anything having the random screenshot over the actual official poster is just repition. You wouldn't put a random screenshot of a movie which you believe serves its "themes" over the actual poster right? FishandChipper 🐟🍟 16:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Fine, I guess you're right. A person in Georgia (talk) 00:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Episode plot summaries

While the summaries added by Billmckern do comply with the 200word limit, the problem is they include details that are unnecessary at the season level, are not direct to the point and embellish too much. We are not required to be as close to 200 words, just that that is the cap and being less than that is better. For example, does it matter on the season level exactly how Gus and the cartel divided sales, just that they agreed to split the territory? Remember we are writing this not for fans of the show but the general audience. Masem (t) 19:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

@Masem: The perfect episode summary would apparently be ""Point and Shoot" is an episode of the series Better Call Saul." That's it. The end. I don't believe that's is in line with how summaries have been treated in previous seasons of BCS, or in other TV series for that matter. As example, I spot checked several episodes of Shameless and Yellowjackets. A couple were more than 200 words, and a couple were fewer, but generally, they seemed to be in the range of 185 to 195. That's not precise, of course, because I just picked a few at random, but I think you see what I mean. Billmckern (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I am just saying that a concise retelling of the major events of the episode may be far short than 200 words, and filling the space with more trivial details (like the territory split) to get close to 200 words isn't necessary. Masem (t) 14:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Even if it isnt neccesary it surely doesn't hurt to include them right? From a personal standpoint if I saw a longer summary I'd believe more effort was put into it, I definitly thought that before I was an editor. I think a lot of people come to the Wikipedia page after they've watched an episode for the minutia. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 20:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

"Last scene"

Two issues to address in this article, "Point and Shoot," and "Saul Gone." For one, "Point and Shoot" says the episode's opening was shot in March 2022, so that should be mentioned aside from principal photography wrapping in February. Secondly, "Point and Shoot" and "Saul Gone" contradict each other in what the last scene filmed for the series was. Gordon Smith and the crew said it was the opening from "Point and Shoot" while Peter Gould said it was the prison room scene from "Saul Gone". A person in Georgia (talk) 00:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Smith called it a splinter crew that filmed the first scene in point and shhot, so I can easily see the discrepancy (splinter crew vs full crew) Masem (t) 00:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. I think sources make it clear that principal photography with the main crew wrapped in February with the shooting of "Saul Gone," and additional "B-footage" scenes like the one in "Point and Shoot" were filmed later. A person in Georgia (talk) 00:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I added some clarification to four pages - the season 6 page, the main Better Call Saul page and both episode pages. Just clarifying that Saul Gone had the last scene shot for the series during principal photography during production, while Point and Shoot had the last scene shot for the series, period. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Better Call Saul (season 6)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Newtothisedit (talk · contribs) 23:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll try to review this as soon as I can; I have a few things on my plate currently but this should be done in <2 weeks--Newtothisedit (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Newtothisedit: Everything sorted on my end. The Optimistic One (talk) 11:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Completed spot checks on references 9,30, 49, 73 101, and 120. Great I'll pass it. Good Job!--Newtothisedit (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• I'd add in the lead how many episodes were in each half of the season. Perhaps like this "the first consisting of the first ___ episodes concluded on May 23, 2022, before resuming with the second half consisting of the final ___ episodes on July 11"

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

S6 hasn't been released on NF yet and no one knows when, or if, it will. 216.115.233.77 (talk) 06:59, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

• "Each episode was published on Netflix the day after" change published to released
  •  Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
• "Better Call Saul is a spin-off, prequel/sequel of Breaking Bad" change to "spin off, prequel and sequel" and hyperlink prequel and sequel.
  •  Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
• "hiding from the law after the demise of associate Walter White." change "law" to "authorities"
  •  Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Cast and Characters

• "In the present, he manages a Cinnabon store in Omaha under the alias Gene Takavic." I don't love the wording "in the present" maybe directly reference it being post Breaking Bad.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• "founding partner of Schweikart & Cokely." I'd change it to "founding partner of the Scweikart and Cokely law firm" to be consistent with wording of HHM in Howard's section.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• "a former student of Walter's who, during the events of Breaking Bad, works with him to produce meth" change to "works with him to produce and sell meth" given that Jesse's main task early in the partnership was selling meth

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Production

• "Gould did not want the season to be anticlimactic, so, to deliver a satisfactory conclusion to Better Call Saul, he brought co-creator Vince Gilligan back to the writer's room "for a good chunk of the season"" Maybe add something to denote Gilligan as Breaking Bad's creator/showrunner

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• "Gould later said the season would explore if there was any way for Saul to earn redemption after all his criminal activities throughout the series" change "after all his criminal activities" to either "after all of his criminal activities" or "after his criminal activities" for correct grammar.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• "Health Safety Supervisor Rosa Estrada and Assistant Director Angie Meyer administered CPR" change to "The shows health safety supervisor ..."

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Episodes

• "As she leaves, Jimmy makes his signature finger-gun gesture at her." Maybe change "his" to "their", if I remember correctly Kim did the finger guns first in the season 5 finale

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Broadcast

• "When the sixth season was ordered in January 2020" change to "When the sixth season was ordered by AMC ..."

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• though the first two episodes premiered back-to-back on the same night" I'd change this to "with the first two episodes premiering back-to-back on the same night

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Related media

• I'd add a secription of what Talking Saul in the way the Season 3 article does.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 11:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

References

• All references look good. Will do spot checks soon.

Good Article Criteria

• Article meets all good article criteria.

Featured list?

I feel, in my opinion, that this season's article is the best BCS-related content Wikipedia has to offer. It’s so good that it could actually tick all the boxes for what makes a featured list.

Let me know what you all think. Thanks and happy new year! The Optimistic One (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)