Talk:Obon

Photo

The Yosakoi photo has been removed from the Yosakoi Festival page, and from the Japanese Wikipedia (apparently by request). Don't know whether it's appropriate to keep it here or not. Comments welcome. Fg2 10:03, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

Was it a copyvio? — Gwalla | Talk 22:42, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A photograph was changed, and it got it the thing which was on the item of Yosakoi Festival .MASA 04:47, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It restored the photograph of Yosakoi Festival because it seemed that the explanation of "Though the problem of the portrait rights seems that be by Japanese edition, that doesn't occur in English edition." could hang by the notebook of the clause of Yosakoi Festival . I am sorry to trouble it.MASA 04:57, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That first picture of a Bon singer is pretty badly colored, and doesn't show anything that's not in the second that I can see. I'm removing it. --Darksasami 01:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice PD photo of candle lit lanterns in the Sasebo River here

Copyediting?

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Sentence, " It is Sanskrit for "hanging upside down" and implies great suffering.[2]" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The link is the the Sanskrit page but the previous characters are obviously not Sanskrit characters. I think the tradition may have been written about in Sanskrit texts but the way the article is currently written, it doesn't make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.11.2 (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Celebrations outside Japan

I added the section and moved the Festival in China part to this section because we have Bon Odori in Malaysia as well. Hopefully others can expand that - Kriskhaira 17:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Needs No explenation?

I can't believe how many times the author uses that phrase. 216.186.51.2 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yagura

Yagura used to redirect here, as a reference to the bandstands erected for the festival and as a result of the absence of any article describing the term in a wider context. I have just begun that article, though it's fairly barebones at the moment. It no longer redirects here, but there is a mention and a link here. Just thought I should let people know. LordAmeth 11:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hidden Fortress?

Is this the festival that's featured in Kurosawa's film Hidden Fortress? Ninquerinquar 23:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Obon Today

I came here looking for information on what Obon is to Japan today, and was very disappointed. It has almost no information about today's Obon except it's date. I was looking for more social effects of Obon holidays, like, most companies having a holiday during Obon, and how public transportation gets jammed due to everyone traveling at the same time. I know what Obon is myself, but I wanted to show what Obon was like to a friend in America, and this doesn't show anything of what's happening in Japan today.

Here's some reference from the Japanese wikipedia for anyone who wants to get working: Obon: Obon Yasumi Kisei Rush --Atlasia (talk) 11:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Bon" or "Obon"?

This is a Japanese-originated tradition, and since the majority people in Japan call it "obon" - can we please change the header accordingly?

Even if the "o" is an "honorific" - and to those that don't understand kanji, this distinction gets lost - "obon" is what it's called. Thomas (talk) 20:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

• • I agree. Boneyard90 (talk) 03:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

WTF?

1. It presents one of the two times it's celebrated twice, as two separate occasions. And, this makes more sense, and seems possibly a better source than wikipedia on this matter... 2. Someone called Japanese characters "Sanskrit." Even if you click their link to the holiday origin, it's Chinese, so where'd they get sanskrit from? Sanskrit = Indian. So, I'm not sure I want to continue reading this page to learn about the holiday at all. It presents the lunar calendar time, and the lunar calendar time as two separate calendars, and times to celebrate... Then, calls Japanese Sanskrit. Literally, these are the biggest mistakes I have ever seen on wikipedia, and they're back-to-back.--174.19.183.240 (talk) 04:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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No clear connection to anything Zoroastrian

@Beddington123: You recently added something sourced to this Japan Travel article about Okinawan cuisine: https://en.japantravel.com/okinawa/taste-of-okinawa/61910

Unfortunately, Japan Travel does not appear to be correct about this, as described below, so I have reverted your addition.

That article includes the following paragraph, which appears to be what you were working from:

The origins of Obon are found on the Silk Road. Intrepid caravans from Samarkand and India lumbered their way to the East, bringing with them philosophies of life and death. First celebrated in 657, Obon is derived from a Persian word used by Zoroastrians to describe the elements that connected life and death. Through the maritime Silk Road, these ideas merged with Buddhism, resulting in something that is uniquely Japanese.

This contains various misapprehensions.

• Obon is from the Chinese Ghost Festival, which #Origins section points to roots stretching back to the 3rd century BC. The 657 date is possibly relevant for when it was introduced to Japan, but it is not when this festival was first celebrated. For that matter, the Japanese Wikipedia article at ja:お盆 includes a #由来 (Yurai, "Origins") section, which discusses pre-Buddhist ancestor-worship practices that may have been incorporated into Obon, but the only date mentioned is the loose statement that 日本では8世紀頃には、夏に祖先供養を行う風習が確立されたと考えられている。 (Nihon de wa hasseiki-goro ni wa, natsu ni sosen kuyō o okonau fūshū ga kakuritsu sareta to kangaerarete iru., "It is thought that, in Japan in around the 8th century, there was an established custom of making ancestral offerings in the summer.") That said, this section lacks any references at all.
• Arguably, Obon in Japan has always been Buddhist -- the whole idea of Obon as "Obon" was transmitted as part of the Yulanpen Sutra, itself a Buddhist document that came to China from India, via the Tarim Basin portion of the Silk Road. (See also Silk Road transmission of Buddhism, particularly the portion on the map starting in India and looping first west then north, and then east to China.) The mention of the Maritime Silk Road is unfortunately an irrelevant non sequitur: as described in Buddhism_in_Japan#Arrival_and_initial_spread_of_Buddhism, Buddhism came to Japan mostly overland via China and the Korean peninsula, not via the sea routes from India through Indonesia and the Philippines.
• As described in the Bon Festival article in the #Etymology section, the Japanese word bon is derived ultimately from Sanskrit or Pali, not Persian. The derivation is reasonably well documented, with only some confusion about exactly which Sanskrit or Pali word is the source.

Ultimately, it is not at all clear where the Japan Travel author Bonson Lam got his information about any Zoroastrian connection, and any such theory is at odds with various other well-documented pieces of history and philology. I hope the above explains why I reverted your addition.

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