Talk:List of Bose headphones

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This article reads like a PR press release

This article reads like a PR press release cleverly disguised as a 3rd party text. Many of the footnotes are links to Bose's website. Other links are to positive reviews of Bose's products. There are no negative reviews or comments, no mention of competing products, no reference to group reviews. Altogether, this article is of questionable value, to put it charitably.

At the very least, more links to truly independent reviews should be included. Some links are mentioned in a section here below. Star-lists (talk) 20:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources (from Afd)

The following sources have been moved here from the second Afd. Please strike them out as they have been added to the article text. John Vandenberg 08:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Professional Pilot Magazine (2004 Headset Preference Survey, Dec p 80) where the Aviation Headset X was voted #1 by a consumer survey 4 years in a Row from 2000 to 2004
• Aviation Headset Series II is introduced in 1995 with improvements for the aviation industry, earning the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association’s (AOPA) “Product of the Year” award.
• "next to an elderly woman who plugged her sound-killing Bose headphones into a Sony discman," Mortal Prey by John Sandford [1];
• Critical Conditions by Stephen White but page is restricted and can't be read.
  • This book? [2] How does it relate? John Vandenberg 08:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• A www.a9.com search on books also turns up this gem: "Grabbing her iPod, she lay down on the bed, put on her Bose headphones, and began listening to Eminem at full volume,"
• Jackie Collins, I dunno how to link directly to a9 search results but go to [3] and "search inside this book" for "Bose headphones."
• "Ethan was one of Don's pals, with multiple facial piercings and a set of Bose headphones."
• Along Came Mary: A Bad Girl Creek Novel by Jo-Ann Mapson [4].
• ...of Bose triport headphones. They go on SALE back home for $140 and were on the rack here in the desert for $93. Woohoo! The PX also has an awesome... google books Surviving Twilight: A Soldier's Chronicle of Daily Life in Iraq
• Active Sound and Vibration Control by Osman Tokhi and Sandor Veres 2002 (ISBN 0852960387) p. 13
• Austen, Ian. "When Headphones Measure Up to the Music." The New York Times, October 31, 2002, p. G4. The competitive product was a Sennheiser HD 497, which "like the Bose Triport... deliberately leaks some frequencies to balance the sound."

Independent published works

• google "bose quietcomfort review" Google Books "bose headphones" Google Books "quietcomfort" cnet australia QC2 pcmag QC3 pcmag QC2 crutchfieldadvisor QC2 thetravelinsider QC1 thetravelinsider QC2 playlistmag QC2 thetechzone QC2 digitaltrends QC2 adrians rojak pot QC1 cnet QC2 cnet QC3
• google "bose triport review" cnet TriPort audioreview TriPort driverheaven TriPort
• google "bose aviation review" avweb aviation headset x dvatp Aviation Headset X

Past discussions archived

The page was getting too huge so I archived 75KB worth of discussions. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 14:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ref. 2 spelling error

^ A. V. Bykhovskii. Sposob polawlenija shuma w scluchowom organe (Technique for noise suppression in the ear), 1960, Patent UdSSR SU 133 631. Filed: 24 August 1949. Published: Patent Bulletin No. 22. Citation from Tokhi and Veres (2002).

• word "polawlenija" should be "podawlenija" (`pol' -> 'pod')
• (better) word-by-word translation: "A way of suppression of the noise in the hearing organ"

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.181.173 (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not familiar with Russian and I have been unable to verify this via an online translator. Any other users know if this is true? -- UKPhoenix79 (talk) 03:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

translation for suppression

Check character look for "pod" here: [Boris_Podolsky] (go to edit page to see non-italic look).

GNU free images not currently being used

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An earcup of the Bose QuietComfort 3 Headphones

Bose In-Ear (IE) headphones

Here are 2 images not bing used currently. I am placing them here on the talk page to keep a link to them encase they are needed in the future. -- UKPhoenix79 (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

In-ear headphones

It would be great if a section on in-ear headphones could be created (currently it is only referred to in Criticism) 1292simon (talk) 08:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Revert of 09:13, 1 February 2012 edit

The purpose of the overhaul was to 1) structure the article according to widely recognised product type (eg on-ear, in-ear, rather than Bose's uncommon categorizations) 2) make it sound less like an advertisement and 3) remove unnecessary Bose jargon. Therefore I am restoring this content (which was reverted). Discussion welcome!! 1292simon (talk) 08:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Please see your talk page. -- Phoenix (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Noted. The reasons in your edit summary are not justification for reverting the edit. "Lets try to use talk page", totally agree! We would be making a lot better progress if you would go into detail on specific articles instead of vague edit summaries for reverts. Thanks for the advice on the OE and BT, I will update the article.1292simon (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying. You change SO MANY pages all at once it is hard to focus on one thing at a time. Can we PLEASE take it one page at a time and go from there? It would make things much smoother. -- Phoenix (talk) 06:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe this is justification for reverting large edits over a few small details. Sorry if it doesn't fit your workload, but I am trying to do as much as possible while I have the time 1292simon (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Bluetooth Headset Series 2

Is the ambient noise rejection different to the original Bose Bluetooth headset? When comparing the text for the two entries, it looks like the same feature, but feel free to add it back in to this section if it is different for the Series 2. 1292simon (talk) 05:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Yep just read the info. They did improve it and actually the cnet article states

"The Bose Bluetooth Headset Series 2 is a solid performer with killer A2DP sound quality, but a lack of features and steep price tag keep it from the top of the pack."

but you only quote

"lack of features and steep price tag keep it from the top of the pack."

Can you see why I have called you biased? -- Phoenix (talk) 06:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Please avoid personal statements about other editors- but I have no problem if you accuse certain edits of bias, of course. Anyway, the previous para lists the criticisms (which are justified by the reference), then the BT2 section notes the improvement (which is an accurate reflection of the reference). Despite this, I will add the phrase "solid performer", just to avoid you reverting the whole edit over this point!

Anyway, my question relates specifically to whether the ambient noise rejection processing was revised. As I understand it, A2DP is simply a higher bitrate transmission1292simon (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I have no clue. I only went by what the sources said. -- Phoenix (talk) 11:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Section Ordering

Ok lets try and figure this out here There are 4 types of headphones from Bose.

1. Commercial Noise Cancelling
2. Personal Noise Cancelling
3. Personal Non-Noise Cancelling
4. Personal Mobile headphones

Neither of us disagree about joining groups 1 & 2, and there isn't a disagreement about group 4. But neither of us can agree on what to call group 3. I don't think Scientific names make sense, nor calling them on ear since Bose sells on ear around ear and in ear. Neither do I believe that there should be a category for each one by themselves. Bose used to call them Triport headphones, but checking their website they call them audio headphones. I think that might be a bit confusing. But I think either one would work. -- Phoenix (talk) 06:15, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I prefer the scientific names. Granted, the average reader might be unfamiliar with the terms, but since a link is provided in the first sentence, I don't think it's a problem. Just for the record, the IE2 are somewhere between the traditional "in-ear" headphones and "earbuds". I'm not fussed which of these categories is used for them. 1292simon (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Any chance we can use the talk page... to talk before any more edits that change the content? Please feel free to add the sourced info you found. That I am not disputing. I just dont agree with much of the wording and the reorganization that was put forth. I find just, well odd. -- Phoenix (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad I looked here, as it seems odd to me that the timeline appears immediately after the intro. I would suggest that it be moved down... probably above the awards section, to help maintain a more standard look of other articles.  -- WikHead (talk) 18:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Pheonix, justifications HAVE been provided above in the talk page. "I just dont(sic) agree with much of the wording and reorganisation...I find just,well odd" doesn't justify your huge edits. Please be more specific

WikHead, the timeline appears at the top of most of the Bose product articles. Of course, it can be moved if there is an applicable template which says it should come later?1292simon (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you have it backwards. You have been the one doing the "huge edits". Please try to remember that. You have removed a lot of sourced information, and while some are indeed good edits, I have disputed some of them for not only for being WP:NPOV but for being just 100% false & unsourced. I have stated repeatability which edits I support in the talk pages and I have no problem with them being included. The other edits I would rather be discussed. So please use the talk page for those edits. The others please add them to the article at hand. -- Phoenix (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Your 22:59, 11 March 2012 edit has wiped out improvements discussed in the talk page (for example the section names). Please incorporate your edits with other editors improvements, rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater yet again. re "restoral of sourced information removed", please be more specific 1292simon (talk) 08:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Your edit of 08:15, 12 March 2012‎ also wiped out much discussed in the talk page above. Please can you incorporate your edits with other editors improvements, rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater yet again? This page has a lot of info on it and does not need to be reduced like you have been doing. It is not an improvement. I cannot understand why you will not keep this on the Talk page as I have stated on multiple occasions this is the best place to work out our differences and get these articles to the level we both want them to be. -- Phoenix (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Please identify specific notable info that has been "wiped out". I have endeavoured to include all changes discussed on the Talk page (your reverts do not). 1292simon (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsort

I'm not convinced by this edit. Shouldn't the article sort under "B" in most of its categories, and under "H" in Category:Bose Corporation? -- John of Reading (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 edit

Hi, my edit has too many changes to be accurately described in an edit summary, so I am justifying it here instead:

• Red Dot awards: It is necessary to spell out that the Red Dot awards are not based on sound quality, otherwise people would naturally assume that an award for loudspeakers included audio quality testing.
• IE2: restored reference to independent review
• MIE2: restored referenced text
• MIE2i: restored reference to independent review
• Bluetooth headset series 2: restored referenced text

If other editors do not agree with any of the referenced claims, it would be appreciated if you could use this Talk page or provide references to justify your position, rather than deleting referenced text without explanation. Thanks 1292simon (talk) 11:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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