Talk:Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (2002 video game)

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that development of The Game Boy Advance version of Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars began as a "mad suggestion" and was largely made by only two designers?Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/article-30537 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh_uECxlC9M (starting at 7:55)
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  • Comment: It was created on April 21, I completely forgot to nominate.

Created by Cukie Gherkin (talk). Self-nominated at 18:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (2002 video game); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• The target article needs to be linked and in bold font. Schwede66 19:20, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. This is not a full review, but there are some issues with the hook. First off, if you're using a YouTube video of non-trivial length, it is respectful of others' time to point out the specific spot to check. Are you citing the comments from 7:55 - 8:30 or so? Because if so, I'd argue the hook is somewhat misrepresenting what Warriner said there. He said it was one of his proudest achievements, yes, but he clarifies that it was because it was essentially a duo project. Shorn of context in the hook, however, one would presume that his pride is due to it being one of his best creations, rather than "much done with few people." This changes the tone. And more generally... I'm not sold the hook suggestion is all that interesting anyway. "Did you know a programmer who worked hard says their own work is great" isn't really very unique or interesting, it's basically expected that they'll like their own works. (Not to mention that "one of" really defangs the impact - Warriner seems like a cool guy, but he's not THAT famous, and this is an off-the-cuff remark. Lots of works can be "one of" the best.) Any other hook ideas? SnowFire (talk) 00:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

  All great points. I'll ponder on a more interesting hook. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

  @SnowFire: Is this better? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

  It is better, but maybe more alts would still be good. I don't think you need the "The" capitalized and part of the link. I'd also question the relevance of "mad suggestion" referenced to a press release - it's a little promotional and also still uninteresting (what was so mad about it? To a general audience, that is. I presume the answer is really "the GBA was considered underpowered" for this, but I doubt many main page viewers would catch on.). And is "designers" really the best word? I'd suggest something more like this, at least if keeping the same basic fact:

• ALT1 ... that the Game Boy Advance version of Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars was largely developed by just two people?Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/article-30537 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh_uECxlC9M (starting at 7:55)

  This might be still considered too uninteresting, though. I'll defer this to the DYK reviewer, just throwing an idea out there. SnowFire (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

  Hmm, I dunno... maybe I should just withdraw the nomination. It's a game that's practically most well-known for its quaintness, which itself doesn't lend itself to having an interesting DYK aspect. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Speaking as a non-reviewer, I did find it interesting that a largely two-person team ported a game to the GBA (small indie team-sized teams weren't so common back then), but maybe it's just because I have an interest in video games, so I'm probably not the most impartial person to give an opinion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

That's a valid point, though yeah, non-gamers may not appreciate why that's an interesting point. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 03:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• This article needs a full review, since one has not been completed. Flibirigit (talk) 17:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. Every paragraph that needs a citation has one, and the hook's sourced. No copyright problems found, no neutrality problems found - but I did find a citation needed tag in the Reception section, which must come out before I can approve this.--Launchballer 21:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Then this is good to go; I find ALT1 interesting, so approving that.--Launchballer 07:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Cukie Gherkin for reasons of clarity, would it not be best to divide the long piped link? Something like:

• ALT2 ... that the Game Boy Advance version of Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars was largely developed by just two people?

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

That seems appropriate to me. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)