Talk:Depë Zenebishi

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It seems that this person ruled a completely fictious principality, because this region was under Ottoman control during this period, according to this [[1]](p.136 in 1418 the Zenebisaioi-the Zenebishti's- were conquered by the Ottomans) and this ([[2]] p. 22: the town of Gjirokaster was under Ottoman control from 1418). No wonder the existing sources in this article do not meet wp:verify.Alexikoua (talk) 05:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right and thank you for the heads up. I checked this and in p248 it seems like 1418 is the last year of the Zenebishi ruling in the Principality of Gjirokaster. Bua Thopia seems to have gone to Corfu and according to your source they later were in Peloponnesus, but far from the Principality. --_Sulmues ^{Let's talk} 13:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds weird when someone doesn't prefer english stuff in english wikipedia. Btw, if this person wasn't notable at all (according to what we know about him now he isn't notable), the article will soon be deleted as per wp:notable. I removed the unverified part. Suppose, anything usefull that can be added in this article will be essential for its survival. Alexikoua (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I read the book once again yesterday, and it seems that Bua Thopia retained the title of the sebastokrator after his father death, but he was exiled to Corfu, from where, with the help of the Venedicians he tried for many years to occupy again Gjirokastër. He managed it in 1434, but soon after 7 months, in 1435, he was killed in a battle with the Ottoman army.Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting, I suggest we move him to Bua Thopia Methuselah.Alexikoua (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

What`s Methousallah?Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

BW must be talking about 1435 and not 1835.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 10:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Very nice, this means we can expand this article.Alexikoua (talk) 11:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, up to 600 years of history :P.Balkanian`s word (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Title

I've moved it from Bua Thopia to Depë Zenebishi per common use.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 08:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Name

Gbook hits:

• "Thopia Zenevisi" (9)
• "Thopia Zenebissi" (8)
• "Depë Zenebishi" (7)
• "Depe Zenebisi" (4)
• "Thopia Zenevissi" (2)

--Zoupan 08:13, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 4 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Thopia Zenevisi → Depë Zenebishi – Most common English language name. Djks1 (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

English language only results on Google Books:

• "Depë Zenebishi", 583 results.
• "Thopia Zenevisi", 132 results.
• "Thopia Zenebissi", 10 results.
• "Depas Zenevisi", 0 results.

Therefore, I propose moving the page back to Depë Zenebishi. Djks1 (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Note I just closed the related request by Djks1 at Talk:Simon_Zenevisi#Requested move 4 October 2021 as moved. These probably should have been considered together in a single RM, as they really get to the same question. Ultimately though, there are many other people in the Zenevisi family and there are previous RMs at that page that show the existing consensus is for that spelling. All members of the family should have their surname spelled the same, per WP:Consistency in article titles. So I think there would need to be a larger discussion (perhaps at Talk:Zenevisi family) deciding how to title all such related pages instead of taking them individually. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Well different individuals are referred to differently in the literature. "All members of the family should have their surname spelled the same" I don't see this stated anywhere on the article you linked. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of this not being the case. e.g. Costantino Castriota. Djks1 (talk) 22:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Another example: Mustafa Pasha Bushatli whilst other members are called "Bushati". Djks1 (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Support per nom. Ahmet Q. (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Support as per nomination.--Lorik17 (talk) 00:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.